tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286599265273958850.post2503309170681683595..comments2023-10-31T07:21:09.792-04:00Comments on William L. Anderson: "Alberto" Arnt: Hmmm, Just Who is a Narcissist?William L. Andersonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01802990642236807359noreply@blogger.comBlogger62125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286599265273958850.post-80301516574545767902010-07-12T14:31:07.364-04:002010-07-12T14:31:07.364-04:00Anon 12:28, to my knowledge, nobody's allowed ...Anon 12:28, to my knowledge, nobody's allowed to show the child testifying, either video or audio, only transcripts allowed to be publishedLamenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286599265273958850.post-79105275410885923902010-07-12T12:28:43.694-04:002010-07-12T12:28:43.694-04:00Are there any techies out there who can cobble tog...Are there any techies out there who can cobble together the sound clips of RL's court testimony and movies lines? It would be very interesting to see if the voice inflections (possibly facial expressions?) and such were similar in both. This is disturbing beyond words that the child recited her lines from a movie script and the parents (who obviously knew) tried to pass the child's words off to a jury as authentic.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286599265273958850.post-29222013901314242012010-07-11T21:14:53.539-04:002010-07-11T21:14:53.539-04:00I've got to say that if R Lamb did say in her ...I've got to say that if R Lamb did say in her testimony the same, or virtually the same, thing that she said in the film (I haven't seen either the movie--heard it really bit the big one--nor have I seen transcripts of her actual court testimony), then I'm going to have to go back on what I said about her being completely victimized by the CAC interviewers. I still believe her to be somewhat of a victim, but if she's pulling in things like lines from movie parts she's played, that's not the actions of a victim, that's the actions of a NARCICIST. Also, someone said that Ms Craft's daughter is the ONLY victim of the three girls. I would say that unless someone can show me that she was coached by her mom and she went along with it and didn't come up with things on the fly to appease a devious CAC interviewer, then I would say the McDonald girl is 100% also a victim, even if her mom and dad aren't. I really hope that nobody's giving her a hard time. She didn't ask to be manipulated. She didn't ask to have spineless parents. She didn't ask to have an inept/under qualified examiner peek at her hoo-hoo. R Lamb got a reward for being examined, but I haven't heard that McDonald got anything other than ten cold fingers touching her privates.Lamenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286599265273958850.post-60701736911619655662010-07-11T13:41:26.873-04:002010-07-11T13:41:26.873-04:00Oh, I agree. I was just making a point, and I hope...Oh, I agree. I was just making a point, and I hope everyone checks out flood insurance for that off chance. See, we don't live in a flood plain; we're actually located on the side of a ridge. But when that storm started last September, the water came down in such a rush it knocked out one of the supports on our kitchen porch and part of the foundation. FEMA said we only had 5900 in damages, since they wanted us to forgo the permit process. Personally, I won't do that kind of work myself and then have the city tell me to tear it out.KC Sprayberryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01090961846554719289noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286599265273958850.post-37396431073644022242010-07-11T12:42:04.034-04:002010-07-11T12:42:04.034-04:00KC, I must admit "flood" was not a good ...KC, I must admit "flood" was not a good coverage to include in my comment, but I qualified the types of coverage there by starting that sentence with "may have".<br /><br />Most mortgage companies identify whether or not your property lies within a 100 year flood plain and require that coverage be obtained from Uncle Sam if it does.<br /><br />In an effort to better explain <i>"... how homeowner's insurance could cover [someone] in the civil case"</i>, I got up out of my seat and dug out my own Homeowner's policy.<br /><br />It includes coverage for <br /><i><b>Personal Liability</b><br />We pay those damages which an insured becomes legally obligated to pay because of >>>BODILY INJURY<<< or property damage resulting from an occurrence to which this coverage applies..."</i> (going on to exclude ALL that is in any way relating to "BUSINESS of an insured".)<br /><br />Moving then to show the general legal definition of <br /><a href="http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/718/usc_sec_18_00002246----000-.html" rel="nofollow"> BODILY INJURY</a><br /><i><b> U.S. Code<br />TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 109A > § 2246</b><br />" (4) the term “serious bodily injury” means bodily injury that involves a substantial risk of death, unconsciousness, extreme physical pain, protracted and obvious disfigurement, or protracted loss or impairment of the function of a bodily member, organ, or mental faculty"</i> <br />(This code does not apply, but the definition is generally the same in all cases)<br /><br />So the basics are that if Tonya claims something like "mental anguish ...emotional distress" or some form of "injury" to her "mental faculty", the coverage for the defendants MAY be subject to a Personal Liability claim.<br /><br />My personal policy might not cover this, as I am not sure how broad the definition of "occurrence" extends. Even a child intentionally shooting the neighbor's eye out with a BB gun is certainly an accident that should fall in under an "occurrence", and I believe what a few homeowners did to Tonya would be covered also.<br /><br />I'd definitely seek information on all homeowner's policies in discovery, in addition to any business liability coverage the defendants may carry.kbphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11814695387546108048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286599265273958850.post-68708545668104548422010-07-11T09:31:44.602-04:002010-07-11T09:31:44.602-04:00kbp, as my family and I discovered last fall, hous...kbp, as my family and I discovered last fall, house insurance doesn't cover flood damage. In fact, on most policies, it's specifically excluded. And most people don't discover that fact until after a flood. However, our ever loving Uncle Sam offers a policy. It's rather cheap if there hasn't been a flood in your area for a long time. However, depending on the amount of damages FEMA and SBA have to cover after a flood, the rates go up. Oh yeah, I learned a lot about those organizations last fall. None of it warmed my heart any more toward federal help.KC Sprayberryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01090961846554719289noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286599265273958850.post-54950135849146878642010-07-11T07:20:12.954-04:002010-07-11T07:20:12.954-04:00There is also a Lookout Mountain near Denver, whic...There is also a Lookout Mountain near Denver, which really is one of the foothills of the Front Range. One hopes that any judicial system there is not as craven as what we see at Lookout Mountain, Georgia.William L. Andersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01802990642236807359noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286599265273958850.post-10901091981740493812010-07-11T04:17:43.566-04:002010-07-11T04:17:43.566-04:00All is well. I've just been occupied by vario...All is well. I've just been occupied by various things lately, mainly I'm trying to push through some very difficult chapters of Clausewitz.Lamenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286599265273958850.post-38920578727670855072010-07-11T00:26:12.990-04:002010-07-11T00:26:12.990-04:00This evening I watched an old movie on TCM, called...This evening I watched an old movie on TCM, called <br /><a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0054292/" rel="nofollow"> Sergeant Rutledge.<br /></a>(The IMDB link)<br /><br />It had a song about soldiers that mentioned Lookout Mountain, which I had never heard of before following Tonya's case.<br /><br />I could not find any links for the soundtrack on it, but did find the words of a part of it;<br /><i>"You heard about the soldier in the U.S. cavalry<br />Who is built like <b>---Lookout Mountain___</b>, taller than a redwood tree<br />With his iron fist hell drop an ox with just one mighty blow<br />John Henry was a weakling next to Captain Buffalo...<br />He'll march all night and he'll march all day <br />And he'll wear out a 20 mule team along the way..."</i>kbphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11814695387546108048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286599265273958850.post-9476455711542212842010-07-11T00:24:51.977-04:002010-07-11T00:24:51.977-04:00Anon 9:10,
Policies vary state to state, company ...Anon 9:10,<br /><br />Policies vary state to state, company to company, and you can select many variations in coverage.<br /><br />You may have contents insured, coverage for flood damage, loss of income on rental property insurance, many variations of coverage.<br /><br />Standard policies in most states cover you, the owner and family living in the home, for liability.<br /><br />That is what would, or might in this case, cover individuals for liability that was not created in business or a profession. <br /><br />Again, I am not sure what the insurance regulations are in Georgia or what is offered there in the way of standard or optional coverage.kbphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11814695387546108048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286599265273958850.post-81693959300329387942010-07-10T22:08:45.653-04:002010-07-10T22:08:45.653-04:00Lame,we have not heard from you in 2-3 day's I...Lame,we have not heard from you in 2-3 day's I hope all is well.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286599265273958850.post-39404235309980485912010-07-10T21:10:41.868-04:002010-07-10T21:10:41.868-04:00kbp i'm sorry if i sound stupid,maybe i misrea...kbp i'm sorry if i sound stupid,maybe i misread a post.I understsnd your last post,but i still do not understand how homeoweners insurance could cover them in the civil case.I am sorry for being slow & not getting it.ThanksAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286599265273958850.post-73409529273638667242010-07-10T17:29:21.898-04:002010-07-10T17:29:21.898-04:00My guess as to why Jerry McDonald wasn't named...My guess as to why Jerry McDonald wasn't named in the suit is that he did not, as far as we know, "repeatedly question his daughter" to indoctrinate the idea that Tonya did anything harmful to her, unlike Kelli McDonald who asked the daughter, among other things,"Did Tonya tell you that she'd kill you if you told on her?"<br /><br />According to the conversation between JM and Mr. Echols, JM hadn't spoken to his daughter about the allegations at all (at least up to that point). I am not arguing about whether or not JM was telling the truth to Mr. Echols, because there is no way of knowing. But, I suppose there is no evidence that JM influenced his daughter's memory in such a way to bring about all those charges against Tonya. <br /><br />It may be true that JM perjured in court, but if I remember correctly from reading the original suit by Tonya, this suit is about who made it possible to manufacture those false charges against her in the first place and not about who perjured in court.Mary Janehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08428245645886673016noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286599265273958850.post-16141973710328445852010-07-10T15:11:19.866-04:002010-07-10T15:11:19.866-04:00How interesting that Stacy Long doesn't have a...How interesting that Stacy Long doesn't have any legal representation. Hhhmmm... My goodness, kbp, it sounds as though the Greenhouse doesn't even try to maintain any pretense of impartiality, if they are considered a part of the DA's office. Looks like the LMJC isn't the only one that's screwed up... as if that's any consolation. LOL<br /><br />Not surprised that Kelli McDonald doesn't have an attorney yet, especially taking into consideration her husband's conversation with Eric Echols that they could not afford legal advice way before this civil lawsuit came into being. I am still slightly perplexed as to why Jerry McDonald wasn't named in the suit even though his wife was. Maybe that will become more apparent as time goes on. <br /><br />Speaking of Eric Echols, September and his supposed trial date is quickly approaching, yet we have not heard who will be sitting on the bench outside of the LMJC since all of those yahoos have seen the light and decided to recuse themselves en masse in what I can only assume to be a pitiful attempt to try and save their judicial careers. I won't forget, though, I promise you. I'll vote "No" to retain these clowns until every last one of them is off the bench.Kayehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12251480890361189802noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286599265273958850.post-72207620412165125632010-07-10T14:42:34.667-04:002010-07-10T14:42:34.667-04:00It often has liability coverage for family members...It often has liability coverage for family members living within your home.<br /><br />For instance, if your kid takes his BB gun to the neighbor's house and accidently shoots the neighbor's eye out, the insurance will pay for the medical expenses and any amount you'd lose in a lawsuit (up to the limit of coverage). <br /><br />Each state has different regulations on policies, with many requiring a minimum coverage for liability, but I must admit I do not know what Georgia has.kbphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11814695387546108048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286599265273958850.post-34636212813921298102010-07-10T13:54:30.579-04:002010-07-10T13:54:30.579-04:00kbp I am confused,how could homeowners insurance h...kbp I am confused,how could homeowners insurance help them? ThanksAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286599265273958850.post-74096588080685690222010-07-10T13:01:15.303-04:002010-07-10T13:01:15.303-04:00On another matter; it may become interesting, as d...On another matter; it may become interesting, as discovery trickles in later, to see WHICH of the attorneys involved are working for the INSURANCE underwriters, those who will have to pick up the tab if a judgment is made against those they provide coverage for.<br /><br />While the initial defense strategy is always for summary judgment to remove specific defendants, I'd imagine an 'all for one, one for all' approach will immediately be considered next. If they decide it is not a strong approach to show nobody is guilty, that Tonya does not have a case, they have to then attend to only the defendant they represent.<br /><br />This is where the INSURANCE company or companies may make decisions that will throw other defendants to the wolves. Those companies are ONLY concerned with what they must pay out, not any of the other 'good old boys' involved. <br /><br />If we start seeing any attorneys dropping out, later on, it may be because an insurance company decided they anticipated the judgment would likely be for more than their company would be responsible for. Since the limit of coverage often includes any funds spent on legal fees defending the insured, it's economically wiser then to just write it off and let the defendant worry about those legal fees if they are more than the policy will pay for. <br /><br />I had mentioned earlier that nothing showed Kelli McDonald or Stacy Long to be represented. Since Long worked at the CAC, I am curious why they have not provided her with an attorney. As for McDonald, I wonder if they had homeowners insurance, for that would have coverage for her. Maybe the bankruptcy mentioned included them losing their house, if they had one.<br /><br />(It is possible I missed something, but I have checked and rechecked a few times)kbphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11814695387546108048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286599265273958850.post-60361907518884832662010-07-10T12:58:13.924-04:002010-07-10T12:58:13.924-04:00For the record, the Greenhouse is represented by t...For the record, the Greenhouse is represented by the same attorneys that represent Suzie Thorne. I had just not yet updated my files to show that.<br /><br />In their "MOTION FOR MORE DEFINITE STATEMENT" the AG's office noted the following;<br /><br /><i>"Defendant “The Greenhouse Children’s Advocacy Center” is not a legal entity but rather a <b>department of the Conasauga Judicial Circuit District Attorney’s Office</b>. Defendant has yet to be properly served and hereby files this Motion for More Definite Statement without waiving service of process."</i><br /><br />Note that it is a <b>department of the Conasauga Judicial Circuit District Attorney’s Office</b>.<br /><br />That may well explain WHY we saw Det. Deal make the decision to <b>PROMPTLY</b> use Suzie Thorne at the Greenhouse, it is merely an AGENCY of the DA's office in that Consuaga County. <br /><br />I've seen this in other cases, where the DA's office had put a fancy name on THEIR experts, the entity that is part of THEIR tools leaves jurors and the public a little confused ...believing it is some PROFESSIONAL group not associated with those looking to convict everyone. Almost as convenient as having a prosecutor in THEIR office handle the matter for them, as they develop the records necessary to get that conviction!<br /><br />I did not see any notes on the CAC, but in all records it is identified as; <i>"The Children’s Advocacy Center of the Lookout Mountain Judicial Circuit, Inc."</i> A corporation SEPERATE of the LMJC. While not a direct part of the DA's office, those running it make money from it, scratch the DA's back and the DA's office is on the Board of Directors.<br /><br />> When time permits, I'll see if I can get these court filings uploaded where all can have access to them <kbphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11814695387546108048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286599265273958850.post-65299563730728341422010-07-10T11:48:51.892-04:002010-07-10T11:48:51.892-04:00In the civil lawsuit, I noticed that some of the d...In the civil lawsuit, I noticed that some of the defendants are being sued in both individual AND professional capacities--Sheriff Summers is one of them. Also, both the CAC and the Greenhouse are named as defendants, too, as well as the employees involved, so the agencies are specifically named as defendants. I learned a lot about our local judicial system, (and its enormous shortcomings), throughout the Craft trial, and I hope to learn about how the federal courts work, too, but right now, I'm confused much of the time. Thanks to all for the explanations.<br /><br />I, too, was one that was very disappointed when I heard that the Judge Murphy wanted more details, but now that I've heard King on WGOW discussing this, and also read Bill's comments, I'm feeling much better about it moving forward. Since I've been reading Bill's blog about this case, I doubt the amended lawsuit will hold much in the way of a surprise, but I still feel that it will make for some very interesting reading. It's probably going to make life extremely uncomfortable for some of these defendants, and rightfully so.Kayehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12251480890361189802noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286599265273958850.post-38489045563873301082010-07-10T11:00:08.135-04:002010-07-10T11:00:08.135-04:00KC you bring up some good points. The county attor...KC you bring up some good points. The county attorneys are representing county employees, but since the CAC, Greenhouse are, I am guessing state agencies, why then are there not state attorneys, not the Attorney General??? Personally, since she is going after individuals not the agencies themselves, I think they should all have to hire their own attorneys instead of us (the taxpayers) footing the bill. However, if the suit is successful and changes are made to the system, then it will be worth it!!! It is most definitely time for change in Catoosa County and all of these people need to learn you can't run over innocent people forever and get away with it. What goes around, indeed does come around. Money and power need to be replaced with honesty and fairness for all.Trishnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286599265273958850.post-57617020702730176102010-07-09T23:32:59.821-04:002010-07-09T23:32:59.821-04:00Just as an example (and easy math!), take a judgme...Just as an example (and easy math!), take a judgment against 10 of 15 named defendants where the verdict was for $10 million, it would be nice to be 1 of the 5. <br /><br />A good way to be one of those 5 is if you can have the blame assigned to 1 or more of the remaining 10.<br /><br />But, just in case you're 1 of the 10, that doesn't necessary mean the liability you are hit for must be divided equally at 10% each.<br /> <br />Also, IIRC, the judgment in this type of case may all come out of the deepest pocket, the ONE with the money, and that defendant has to chase the portions due from the other 9.<br /><br />I'm open to correction here, but that's how I have understood it watching just a few other federal civil cases.kbphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11814695387546108048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286599265273958850.post-76174899174375296112010-07-09T23:24:53.064-04:002010-07-09T23:24:53.064-04:00Reader from NYC,
I was not talking about shiftin...Reader from NYC, <br /><br />I was not talking about shifting blame to another defendant during this particular lawsuit filed by Mr. Craft. I was talking about after this civil lawsuit. Let's say that the Henkes (among other defendants) loses the case and lose lots of money, then they'd want to blame someone for their loss and possibly recoup their loss. That is when they may want to file their own civil lawsuit against, say, Sandra Lamb for "getting them involved" into this whose mess. (I am not saying that the Henkes were not willing participants. I am only saying that they could make a claim like that.)<br /><br />But, of course, I was just thinking aloud about the possibility. I am not a lawyer, so I don't know if such a lawsuit would be possible.Mary Janehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08428245645886673016noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286599265273958850.post-5390147668603962222010-07-09T23:19:26.156-04:002010-07-09T23:19:26.156-04:00I'm sure it will come up that the CAC, as an e...I'm sure it will come up that the CAC, as an entity for the district attorney's office, qualifies its employees for legal representation by the attorney general. But if that is true, why didn't Phil Summers, Tim Deal, Catoosa County, and the Catoosa County Sheriff's Department take advantage of this? Does Mr. Baker really think he can use this lawsuit to his advantage in his faltering campaign for governor? Uh, someone give him a timeline. This case won't see the inside of a courtroom until long after that election finishes. I really would like to see if this flies past the judge on this case.KC Sprayberryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01090961846554719289noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286599265273958850.post-60001515833698352252010-07-09T23:15:45.821-04:002010-07-09T23:15:45.821-04:00Not a lawyer but can do some great internet resear...Not a lawyer but can do some great internet research. Here's my take on what I found.<br />Seeing Thurbert Baker's name listed as the attorney of record for one of the defendants in Tonya Craft's civil suit bothered me so much, I did a bit of research. There are a lot of maybe's and might's involved on the Attorney General's website but I still wanted to know if Mr. Baker and three of his state employees can represent Suzie Thorne in a civil action arising from her actions in a criminal case? This link might provide the best answer: http://www.ganet.org/ago/ Right under the title: Georgia Attorney General's Office – Duties: Law prohibits the attorney general from providing legal advice or assistance to the private citizens of Georgia.<br />Therefore, how can Mr. Baker represent Suzie Thorne in this case and why are the people of the State of Georgia paying for our elected attorney general and three of his employees to violate one of their rules? I forgot. This is Georgia. It seems the HAG team + Buzz learned from the top how to bend and twist the rules for their favor. Now, I had once considered Mr. Baker as the candidate to get my vote for governor. No more.KC Sprayberryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01090961846554719289noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286599265273958850.post-6495878511233480252010-07-09T22:42:11.820-04:002010-07-09T22:42:11.820-04:00This is a civil suit. It is not so much of shifti...This is a civil suit. It is not so much of shifting blame to another defendant, rather, it is working to extract one's client from the suit altogether.<br /><br />Any attorneys here? Please chime in.<br /><br />Reader from NYCAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com