[Update, Tuesday 3:20 PM]: The jury still is deliberating, but it is nice to see that our "exposure" of the "Casino Night" fundraiser for the CAC has forced them to change the pictures a bit. Yes, yes, the "showgirls" no longer are wearing thongs (much to the relief of the thong-hating Len Gregor), and are not showing so much skin. Gee, I wonder why they changed their outfits so quickly?
[End Update]
I visited the website of the Lookout Mountain Judicial District tonight, and found the entire thing to be distasteful at best, and something akin to Syrup of Ipecac at worst. Here are judges that declare that they promote "justice" and then sit back and allow what truly was an abomination of a closing at the Tonya Craft trial Monday.
Since I went over many of the details of the closing arguments earlier, I don't need to add much, except to say that I hope that judges Wood, Graham (who is being reprimanded today), and Van Pelt are proud of the handiwork of "judge" Brian House. Here is a judge who has held "ex parte" conversations with the prosecutors (and did not reported them, as required by law), a judge who has invented a new "he's on cross" or "he's on closing" argument to allow a prosecutor to say anything he darn well pleases, a judge who refused to allow a defense attorney to show something to a jury that already had been entered into evidence, and a "judge" who made no bones about trying to rig a guilty verdict.
In other words, Brian House has declared that the Lookout Mountain Judicial District is lawless, that Ralph Van Pelt is lawless, that Jon B. Wood is lawless, and that Judge Kristina Graham is lawless. The website claims that the LMJD promotes "Wisdom, Justice, and Moderation." Right. Because the LMJD allows Brian House to wear a judge's robe, the district promotes lies, and it really needs to have a flag featuring a Pentagram or some symbol of Satan, since Beelzebub is the Father of Lies.
I am wondering if Judge Van Pelt, who I hear from others to be a decent fellow, is proud of what he has seen. If he allows this farce to happen without speaking out, then I cannot help but think that he is a judge who despises the law and despises the constitutions of the State of Georgia and the United States of America, a judge who really hates justice. (I hope that is not the case with Judge Van Pelt, but I have no doubts at all that House is a judge who disgraces the robes he wears.)
Of course, let us not forget the Dishonest Duo, Chris Arnt and Len Gregor. Both men declared Dr. Nancy Aldridge, one of the most respected expert witnesses in the State of Georgia (who almost always testifies for the prosecution) to be a "whore of the court" and someone who "lies for money." Thus, they are saying that fellow prosecutors in Georgia who use Dr. Aldridge as as prosecution witness are suborning perjury.
So, we await the verdict. No matter if it is guilty or not guilty, I am sticking to my promise of pursuing disbarment for Gregor and Arnt. Do not kid yourselves as to the information that people are sending me about both men. It is personally and professionally devastating (although neither person cares, as both believe themselves to be beyond the law). They have made their choices, and I have made mine.
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It's great to see you focused on LMJD but don't kid yourself. The presumption of guilt, state interference that effectively strips defendants of their right to council, exclusion of relevant exculpatory evidence, and the operation of industrial scale perjury factories are typical in every state.
Like I said in a previous post, those who point the finger of accusation are themselves most often the ones with the greatest sins. I have a friend whose wife accused him of having slept with just about every woman she saw him talking with. One woman after another, "You slept with her, I know it!" Then, one day, it all comes out that she had been having affairs.
Now, the prosecution is alleging Craft was sleeping with men and women left and right. These families who are accusing her, weren't they best friends? Wouldn't it stand to reason that if she's a swinger that she'd be bumpin' muffins with them? After all, there are the gift certificates and cards reading things like, "I love you," and other words of affection. The defense could, if they were REALLY arguing there was a conspiracy, have argued that she was sleepig with them and that they were just looking for revenge because she broke it off when them. Can anyone go look at the previous arguments. Did the defense ever actually say "frame job" like Arnt said they said?
On newschannel9's site there's a comment on a story that talks about this forum as being filled with lies about Georgia law. There has been some misinformation, owing to ignorance, but that has always been corrected. I'm really wondering, what percentage of the more affluent members of the community believe she is innocent compared with the percentage of middle and compare that with the percentage of blue collar. Is it pretty even across socioeconomic lines who thinks guilty vs innocent or is(are) there any group(s) who differ from the majority. Just curious.
Oh, newschannel9 in their recent story said that they investigated and found that the families of the alleged victims have made zero contributions to the campaigns of House Arnt Gregor or anyone else involved in this case. Is this confirmable? I've seen posts here that they all received contributions from the families. Also, as for the ex parte conversations, again, can anyone PROVE this happened, or is this something that was heard from someone who was supposedly there's grandmother's cousin's ex-wife's former roomate? Proof, facts, not gossip. It only makes people who think this is a sham trial seem like lunatics who think 9/11 was an inside government job when accusations like these are made without any shred of proof.
Men? These are not men.
I posted something very similar to this on the previous thread...
My late father fought in the Pacific during World War II...
Tonya Craft is in a fight for her life and the lives of her children. Today's escapades by the prosecution and the judge must not only be remembered, they demand action. Not because of their pure sheer, audacious arrogance, but because the stench of their behavior permeates Catoosa County.
What kind of men even says something like: "How can you tell Tonya Craft is lying? When she moves her lips", in a courtroom!?. Ok. Maybe at the bar after a handful of drinks, or in a duck blind, with his hunting buddies. But in a court room?
What kind of men call women and other men, who have spent their entire lives devoted to research that helps abused children, and at some of our most prestigious institutions, "whores" in a court of law?
My God!
What kind of men do these things and much more, then pat themselves on the back as they have someone take take a picture of themselves with a girl, young enough to be their own daughter, and post that like a trophy on their Facebook page?
What kind of men indeed.
These are not men, they are something, much less than that.
I watched Episode 9 of "The Pacific" on HBO last night with my wife and son. You see one of the soldiers loose, then regain his humanity, in the worst conditions imaginable. That character was a man, who wrote one of the books the series was based on. "With The Old Breed.", a very good read.
Losing yourself in such a situation is understandable. Finding yourself again, remarkable.
These men, the prosecution, are not remarkable in any forum, much less a court of law. They are bullies, pure and simple, who use their position as a shield. They have never fought in an honorable campaign.
Now they are really in a fight that could threaten them... watch how they react.
Mr Anderson, the LMJD is the whore of Satan, indeed.
The corruption of justice in this circuit is so casual, so malignant and cancerous, even honest men become blinded to the filth they wallow through and wade in every day.
It is a disease which extends through the entire State, to the Legislature, to the very seat of the Governor's office, even to the Bar of the Supreme Court of Georgia.
I must say however, that to my knowledge, Thurbert Baker is an honorable man, but he can only act within the limits of his office.
It will take a Federal Prosecutor such as Sally Quillian Yates to perform the neccessary surgery to cure the District of it's mortal affliction, the perversions of justice such as we witness in the "trial" of Tonya Craft.
Many of us have also made the decision to go with you on whatever road you need to follow. Many of us are homeowners & taxpayers in this district & are more than fed up with the years of living in fear of "who will be next". It's past time to take a stand & you have my support 100%. I am very well known in this community & once this is over, I will come out of anon status (on here) & explode in a way this community has not seen. I've already told my husband to have a fund set up, because I have a feeling that I will be a target along with a few of my close friends. We are tired, but we will not lose our community to these people. I'm in for the long haul & as soon as the time is spoken to me; hell hath no fury like a woman scorned. And yes, the time will be spoken to me. Everyone who knows me, knows why I was unable to attend any of the trial. Not because of fear, but because I believe God has kept me away due to illness. I can honestly say, I would not have sat in that courtroom & kept my mouth shut and that would not have been beneficial to my family. In the next few days, I will send you my information, the contacts & leads I have, the who's, what's, where's & the helpers you will need & want. We are educated & ready to go the extra 1,000 miles.
We have an election tomorrow & I hope everyone has done their research. Remember, read between the lines & research, research, research. It's not too late. In the eleventh hour, I still haven't made up my mind, but I still have until early tomorrow evening to finish my research.
Dr. Anderson, keep up the good work & thank you for helping to get the truth out & also for helping people understand the simplest parts of the laws. I believe you have helped many people to start looking at the process and how it is supposed to work. I applaud you. I believe if people have the access to a computer to read your blogs, they have a very powerful tool to better help them understand the laws by which we SHOULD ALL live by. (that includes the ding dongs who believe they are above the law)
You are being used as an instrument to guide them into their new careers of, well, I'm not sure they can do much after this. I don't want to lessen the jobs of good people who might not have glamorous jobs so to speak.
Let's rock this boat!
Truth For Tonya & all who have been abused by this system!
I'd like to share with you a comment posted on badbadteachers and then the response to that comment which I posted:
Charles L.:
May 10, 2010 at 7:34 pm
A fifth week of this libreal media garbage! I wish the Craft-matic adjustable pedophile will go away! As soon as a Christian conservative Republican gets in office, this nonsense is OVER!!!
--And my Response---
Good God, enough with the Republican nonsense. Remember, it was the LIBERAL Attorney General under Clinton who as a DA in Florida put away a bunch of “supposed” child molesters in cases very similar to this one. Liberals and conservatives, both are equally guilty of railroading individuals in the name of “protecting children.”
Remember, it was a Republican in South Florida who led the charge to ban websites on the internet that used teenage models, and fixed it so that three of the men who ran one such site were framed by a disgruntled former model and her mom and coerced to confess to a crime that didn’t exist. That same REPUBLICAN congressmen later resigned because he was naughty with underaged MALE congressional pages. Republicans, democrats, they’re just as hypocritical. They’re just as guilty of crimes against children. They’re just as guilty of creating and manipulating laws that put others in prison but keep them out for the same behavior. They’re both just as filled with sin and iniquity. You youself are guilty. God may dislike what you accuse people of doing, but you show yourself by your words and your deeds to have a proud heart, something that Solomon wrote in Proverbs to be an “abomination to the Lord.” Do you think you will make it into heaven when God finds you abomonable? Ask for forgiveness and turn away from your pride. You talk about Jesus, but pride was the crime of the Pharases. Humble yourself. See yourself for the sinner you are, and turn away from your pride. Otherwise your pride will kill you, and Christ will say, “Go away from me, for I do not know you.”
Mike Freeman is the only worthy candidate to vote for in tomorrow's election. All the others are the typical crowd of money mongers.
Not like the three non-men. Anon @12:44 shows us some courage, true courage.
Also Lame, I know people with real money. Not the Wilson, Lamb, Boyd type money, but the real stuff. The people who would not really associate with the others, not for being snobs, but because they usually associate with highly educated people & not people who had the dumb luck of having a modicum of money. Anyhoo, the people I have spoken with all have said, point blank, they believe this woman is innocent. I have kind of been the go-between as I have more time to research & chase the facts of the "case". It is very interesting to hear their take on it. These people in Chickamauga are not elite, by any means. They are in their community because that is the stature they haven given themselves. The real folks with money & power in the tri-state area, believe this whole fiasco is a sham and led by misguided, for lack of a better word, wannabes. They are kind of the laughing stock, which by the way, I thoroughly enjoy.
Lame,
The record of what investigation went on, what investigation did not go on, how the prosecution handled the case and the absence of credible evidence in this case speaks for itself. There have been errors here, and many work to correct them. I'm not worried about it, the records of errors and lies by the prosecutors and some of their witnesses is a much more critical problem.
The testimony and events in the trial has been reported on in the news, along with inaccuracies at by a few reporting on it. That Channel Nine note on the election funding you mention states; "Craft's defense named both men in its "conspiracy against Tonya.""
That's an inaccuracy they can worry about in comments there. Here we've focused on the inaccuracies in the trial, which were exposed daily in the testimony.
Here's the entire Nine paragraph;
"In an unrelated money matter, NewsChannel 9 checked the financial contributions into Judge Brian House and prosecutor Chris Arnt. Both men ran for the Superior Court Judge seat. Craft's defense named both men in its "conspiracy against Tonya." NewsChannel 9 checked all campaign disclosures and no one connected to this trial, specifically parents of children involved, made any contributions to either man"
I don't even recall reading any place of "Craft's defense" mentioning the election. I find it hard to believe that D-lo or King would make unsubstantiated claims like that in front of the very men this report says they accused. It has nothing to do with the trial really.
On top of those facts, I've asked any that wanted to post pro-prosecution here to point out details in a civil manner, to which none have responded.
They're not a source of criticism I'm concerned about.
And I'm a girl! Well, woman. :-)
We will conquer this I know. Just as I believe it has been put on Bill's, yours (Dan), KC, kbp, dmk, Lame, Lookout Spy, Kerwyn & many others hearts, we must do what we are led to do & what we know is right. I'm ready!!!!!
Lame, I totally agree with you. This is NOT a partisan affair. This trial tears at the fabric of our families and transcends politics in every way.
Republicans, Democrats, Libertarians or whatever are shocked, just shocked at this.
A respected teacher, who selflessly bettered herself to raise a good family.
A mother who donated her precious time to community concerns has been wronged. By the very people she helped!
It just doesn't get any worse than that.
Has anyone noticed that the LMJC site has been hacked? Just scroll down to the bottom of their home page and check out the visitor counter. It's good for a laugh.
Anon @1:03 am. Thank you for that.... Like you, I too believe what IS right will prevail in this case.
It may take more time than we can perceive right now. A huge portion of how this plays out is in the hands of this jury.
I will share with you my true thoughts, posted on another site focused on this case.
I believe most people of Catoosa County are the "salt of the earth" and the jury is probably a fair representation of your community.
If I would ever find myself charged with a crime I did not commit, I would find some comfort in knowing that the jury, that held my fate, was the "salt of the earth".
In my experience most people of that ilk, can see BS from a country mile.
@anon 1:19, I noticed that a long time ago, and assumed it was just a joke. The LMJC is so amateurish, the court Administrator has a photo of Captain Kirk (Star Trek) on his page for an official portrait, and elsewhere, it was pointed out the theme music from a movie was being used illegally on someone else's pages. You should see some of the notices they post, truly green Acres material ;)
Correction, "had" a photo of Captain Kirk, it's been changed.
My comment about funding was not that the defense in this case has claimed that money from the accusers went to the judge and DA. Rather, there have been many comments on this forum that have made that accusation. That along with accusations of infidelities among the accuser's families, that Henke has been having affairs with multiple women involved (someone said that his wife-the stepmother) is pregnant and that he's been stepping out on her. Accusations involving money in envelopes, ex parte conversations between prosecution and judge. Accusations that parents are following people with truthfortonya bumper stickers, allegations that the lady Today interviewed is stalking people while her husband is having affairs. I mean, come on, enough of the rumors. We have absolutely no moral authority for accusing the prosecution for wrong-doing when we engage in the same kind of salacious gossipng. It's gossip that got us here in the first place. We are just as hypocritical as they are if we're engaging in this kind of behavior. It needs to stop. The only kinds of comments as to the character of people involved, directly or indirectly, needs to be of things that can be proven. Just as I think Tonya didn't do this, because the only evidence against her is the result of gossip, the only evidence against all these other people is gossip.
The prosecution said she did this and did that. I said, "Show me." and they never showed anything. So, I say, "Not proven." I now say, if there were misdeeds by family members of the accusers, Show me. If you can present credible evidence, that is something other than "my brother's roommate's uncle thought he saw," then I'll believe it.
Someone thought they heard Arnt & Gregor say something the other day, and we had 30 or so comments about that, and what they thought it meant. Then, in court, nothing of the sort transpired. Evidence, people. It was the lack of real evidence and pattern of misconduct by the investigators who drove me out of the camp of people who thought she was guilty into this. Don't drive me out of this camp with the same behavior.
Lame, I have made some assertions, however all of them are made on direct knowledge either of my own observations or by parties I've known for years, and corroborated by other sources. I agree however, that rumors and gossip are the start of the evils which brought Tonya into the travesty of injustice we have been witnessing.
First time poster - Mother of two kids.
This case struck home instantly when I heard about it because I too am a mother of two, teacher, and my kids are the same age as Mrs. Crafts kids.
Even though I do not know Mrs. Craft,I instantly felt a connection to her by reading her story.
She is me..She is you..she could be anyone!
Although I had my suspicions of a "witch hunt" in the beginning, the trial did nothing but confirm what I had feared all along.
This poor innocent women! I can't imagine what she must be going through.
After the trial started, I found myself speaking to everyone I knew about the allegations. I live in a small town approximatley 30 minutes outside of Catoosa County, and this trial was covered by our local news. I have not spoken to one single person that believes this poor lady is guilty. Everyone is appauled at what has taken place in the courtroom.
This trial has become a joke & although I just started reading your blog - I certainly apprecaite all of your efforts to get the word out. The TRUTH out!
Lookout has been more civil than I have been here, however Lame is right when he said:
"We have absolutely no moral authority for accusing the prosecution for wrong-doing when we engage in the same kind of salacious gossipng.
We already have the high road here, there is no reason to take the lower one.
@Teacher and mother of 2. Welcome and thanks for your comment. Most all of us here don't have a connection directly with Tonya. But we do support her
You are right - this could happen to just about anyone. And as you imply, this isn't a "witch hunt" or a "conspiracy" it is an assault on a good mother.
My wife (of 30 years) is totally shocked. She told me to "Do what you can to help." - so I am speaking out, and I am glad you are too.
Thanks guys. I'm just so tired of accusations. There is so much in the Bible and in good literature that advises against gossiping. Our Founding Generation (I prefer that term to Founding Fathers, because it was more than just men, and it was not just a few dozen people who sat in a room framing a constitution that made this government come into existance, but rather an entire generation of people, all over this country, with similar ideals of liberty and representative government) also frequently wrote about the importance of truth. It was rumor and inuendo that led this nation into an imperialistic and devastating war against Spain (yes, devastating, because it was our incursion into international affairs that in the long term set us up for being attacked at Pearl Harbor, Vietnam and 9/11). Just like Americans became hypocritical in that they fought to "liberate" Cuba and the Philippines from Spain, and then turned around and occupied them, we need to be sure that we do not become hypocritical by showing the innocense of this woman and then turning around and use the same tactics and practices against other people.
I think that people are right in working to punish the people who have turned the investigation of child abuse into a 3 ring circus, repleate with clowns and bad acting. Still, we need to be sure that when we say something against someone that what we testify to is indeed the truth and not just what someone told us.
Those people who have made accusations here who believe them to be true, be sure to document it, get the people who told you these things on record. We have blasted the prosecution witnesses for documenting. How much worse are we if we accuse them for things that are merely hearsay?
One thing I must say though, on this discussion we are exercising our First Amendment free speech rights. However, a prosecutor, as Mr. Anderson has pointed out so many times, is charged with the search for TRUTH. And today's closing arguments were a total disgrace, as was the prosecution's whole case. Character assassination, lifestyle inferences, and excluding exculpatory evidence is totally ILLEGAL, no ifs and or buts about it. I am surprised the defense did not move for a mistrial, however in Georgia pretty much anything goes, especially with a slacker like Brian House. A Writ of Habeas Corpus may free her more quickly if she is wrongfully convicted. The only quick end is for the jury to come out tomorrow with an acquittal, or for proof to emerge of jury tampering before the verdict is delivered. Even the replacement of one juror early in the trial is a fishy issue. Once the jury is empaneled and sworn, even so much as a negative newspaper article or television broadcast viewed by a juror, or discussion by a juror with a 3rd party, will void the whole trial and free Tonya Craft from her nightmare. It's not over yet by a long shot.
I am another really mad citizen of Catoosa County and I mean really mad as I would love to see the entire Courthouse circled with hundreds of supporters picketing for Tonya. Although I don't know if that is the right thing to do. I do know better than try to decide in such a state of anger.
Please allow me to state this question in a manner where everyone does understand I have the utmost respect for Drs. Aldridge, Dr Bernet, Fajman, and Hazzard and there findings in this case. I have a question if one or all of these Doctors have testified in a trial where someone was found to be guilty could that person file for an appeal on the fact that these Doctors are known to be whores of the court ( Perjurers ) as stated by our Dishonest Duo? And, or would this be something a good defense attorney might keep this under hat to use against the state in future?
The Nazi party had some beings of this caliber but they ran a camp in Auschwitz.
Here's something I thought of. You know the lame-o joke Arnt told about Craft lieing when her lips are moving? Here's one for him:
How do you tell if Arnt is being a sexist pig? His lips are moving.
I find it curious that Channel 9 was parroting the prosecution's "conspiracy" line when, in fact, the only people to mention the word were for the prosecution.
As for conspiracies, I have not alleged them in my posts. The only thing I have said is that House, Arnt and Gregor have been working together, and anyone who has been in that courtroom can see the cooperation at work.
I have not approved of the gossip and the claims of affairs, but have not taken down the comments for other reasons. (I will be checking the IPs to see if any of those comments came from individuals either supporting or tied to the prosecution.)
As for the "bad teacher" website with its comment, I only can hope that "Charles L" learns how to spell "liberal" properly. From what I understand, Arnt, House, and Gregor are Republicans and are good Baptists. So, I guess this is what the conservatives have been saying about getting the "right" people into office. Well, they are there.
Today is election day in Catoosa/Walker/Dade counties. Does anyone know how Tarvin feels about Tonya's trial? I had planned to vote for him but not if he has been bought by these "influential" families. He is from Chickamauga.
Coverage on Bill O'Reilly tonight. Posted on WRCBtv Facebook.
I'm sure that O'Reilly will side with the prosecution. He always does.
Good Morning America is showing the Tonya Craft Story in a few minutes.
Good morning everyone
My husband and I have been on Tonyas private email list since 11-08. I went through some of them last night just to re read all she has been put through. Unbelievable, and how many of us would have cracked under that kind of strain?
I did that reading, because we received the first email from her since the trial started. I will not share anything here publicly what was written in an private email, but I will tell you Tonya is a strong and wise woman of God. She thanked us all for our prayers and said whatever comes, comes from God, not from man, even if the verdict is "guilty"
What a truly amazing woman... but I guess she needs to be, she is gonna change our areas legal system, and flip it on its back. I am proud to be her friend, no matter what the future holds for her
Donna
Did anyone watch Good Morning America.I thought they did a good job.
O'reilly getting involved won't be some kind of silver bullet, although many seem to think that. He's in the infotainment business, and while his show may get the best ratings of that genre, that's still what he is. What we need is interest in the case from good investigative journalists. Sadly, they are few and far between these days as people have come to prefer their news in quick fixes already pre-slanted toward whatever their default position is.
Whether O'reilly comes out pro or con, it will be based on a quick look at the info already reported by real journalists and skewed toward what he thinks the majority of his audience will want to hear. In the end, the only good thing that will happen is the name Tonya Craft may get heard by a few more people across the country who start doing their own research, and maybe even some real investigative journalists will see the potential in the story and start digging.
I'm not feeling so great about O'Reilly chiming in on this case. He likes controversy and isn't about taking the time to really get to know the case. Like 7:44 said, the one good thing is that it may get Tonya's name out there and cause folks to research and really find out about the injustice that's been going on from the beginning.
Was the correspondent for GMA Jennifer Vickery a cute blonde? If so I know her. She said she was going out to interview for the GMA show. I asked her to be fair to Tonya since not many of the other correspondents have not. I hope she was fair. I did not see it.
I agree that O'Reily isin't the most objective perosn on TV. Still, he's better than Nancy DisGrace. If that lawyer lady on Today yesterday was biased and discredited for her take on the Duke case, Nancy is without a leg to stand on for her own coverage and shouting down anyone who tried to be a voice of reason on her show.
Notice how yesterday Melissa Huckaby pleaded guilty to raping and murdering her daughter's 9 year old best friend, and yet all Nancy could talk about was some minor issue with the Casey Anthony case? I switched back and forth through all of the TV channels looking for anything about Huckaby and nothing, nada. When a woman doesn't do anything, she's newsworthy, but when she REALLY does what she's accused of, and that something is far worse than what supposedly happened here, not one word.
As a mother of 3, Toddler Class Director at my church,and Catoosa County resident, I want CHANGE...Yet, here is my dilemma.
I am so afraid that after all this is over and done that the majority of us will go on about our lives, somewhat "forgetting" the travesty that has become us and Tonya.
I have been reading this blog since the beginning of this case and each day, numerous times a day, I check in and I have personally attended preceedings many times over the last month...I read about all the statutes, laws, ethics, etc., that have been violated. BUT, WHAT CAN I DO? I am not confident enough in my level of legal intelligence to be able to articulately put into words what I have witnessed and researched.
I absolutely plan to use my vote come election time as I always have, but with a lot more wisdom than before, but I feel that is not enough.
I am not an uneducated person, yet I want to be able to produce something that wouldn't be "scoffed" at once it reached the office or desk that it was intended.
Any Suggestions?
Catoosa Mom - There was some discussion of this in yesterday afternoon's thread. I suggest you contact KC Sprayberry who posts on here. She has stepped up to get the ball rolling on all of us locals getting organized. Right now, we are just collecting contact info so we can stay in touch. The email she posted in yesterday's thread for people to make initial contact is kathispray@yahoo.com
Thanks dmk...I will do so today!
There is no doubt in my mind that the 4 judges stick together. Even if one of them thought that another was in violation of the law they wouldn't do anything about it.
I wonder how long the jury will be out?
Link to Good Morning America segment
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/TheLaw/georgia-kindergarten-teacher-tonya-craft-accused-child-molestation/story?id=10610046
First, I pray that Tonya Craft is aquitted and that House, Gregor, and Arndt have their careers ended.
Mr. Anderson keeps implying that most prosecutors prosecute innocent people. Of Dr. Aldridge, he writes that she testifies for the prosecution the great majority of the time. Does he think she was trying to put the innocent behind bars on those occasions? I don't.
Since Mr. Anderson agrees that Dr. Aldridge is a highly respected authority, he has to acknowledge that she believed in what she was doing the times she was a prosecution witness. You can't have it both ways.
I have a sick feeling in my gut that they'll return a guilty verdict on some of the counts, probably about five, because they will err on the side of protecting children. They may have the opinion, "Well, if she didn't do it, she can appeal." I've seen that happen before. I don't know, but something just tells me that.
It's strange that I feel so nervous about this. I don't know Tonya. I don't know anyone who currently lives within 50 miles of there. But, I've become sucked into this whole situation because of what I see as a great travesty of injustice. I still say it is possible that she did do something. However, the way this investigation and trial have been conducted we'll probably never know the full truth. And, even if she did do it, she has not received anything close to a fair trial. The judge in the Casy Anthony case recused himself over something far more minor than what the judge in this case absolutely should have. He hasn't been completely unfair. There were four or five times he sustained objections from the defense. However, the overwhelming context of his behavior smacks of what an appellate court will deem "reversable error."
I can't help by think of the trial of Arielle Beck. She was a woman here in Utah who seduced and molested a 14 year old girl. At the trial the judge asked more questions than he should have, and the Utah Supreme Courth overturned her guilty verdict. She did do the crime and before being retried took a plea deal. In that case not only was justice delayed by a judge's bias, it caused the end of a young girl's life, because the girl ended up taking her own life rather than face her molester again in court. Judges have a responsibility to make sure that nothing goes wrong. They are supposed to be part of the solution not part of the problem when it comes to fairness.
Some previous poster mentioned the hearsay exemption regarding the testimony about the tie. That should not have been allowed, because under the statute it states that the person is only to state what the child said happened to them regarding sexual abuse. The testimony the so-called therpist entered was not related to the sexual abuse, and was thus not admissible under the hearsay exemption. I have a gut feeling that they will convict on some counts, and that this case will end up back in Catoosa at some future date because the first appellate judge to review this case will do a "WTF!" and reverse.
I am still trying to find any kind of answer I can find on this....does anyone know what kind of notice they give once a jury has made a decision? ie: Jury comes to a decision...Judge reconvenes court in 2 hours? immediately? tomorrow? Thanks
This is my first time to post. I have followed the entire trial, and have read most of Mr. Anderson's blog. I cannot believe that all that happened in the court room was allowed and that there is not someone who will step up and say that Judge House was breaking the law with some of his rulings. I was just appalled at his rulings. It seems he never ruled in favor of the defense no matter what the circumstance. I live in Chattanooga and have for my whole life, I do know some of the accusers involved. I come from a family where abuse happened so I should be the first to say believe the children, but in this case I know in my heart that Mrs. Craft is innocent. I hope and pray the jury has some sense and will do the right thing.
Lame -
I'm not so sure. The only way I can see a split verdict is if the jury 100% agrees she committed abuse, but then doesn't think the prosecution presented enough evidence to support the aggravated charges, so acquits on those but guilty on the lesser charges. In my opinion, this is an all or nothing case, you either believe the story told by the prosecution, in which case you convict on all counts, or you don't and declare her innocent on all counts.
I think if they don't come back with a verdict today, then it's a hung jury for sure, and it becomes a matter of how long House makes them go before declaring that.
Still just sick over the entire mess. I am going to vote at the polls then vote with my feet and get the heck outta Catoosa.
I was not aware that the jurors were not allowed to take notes during the trial. I have never heard this before. Seems like you would want the jurors to take notes, especially when hearing so much "evidence" being presented. Is this normal in criminal trials?
I want to point out a few facts here please. One of the things we MUST deal in is facts. If you are not sure where you heard it, find out or tell us you don't know and we place it in the rumor or to be researched column.
Rumor: Families of alleged Victims contributed to Prosecution or Judge.
Fact: False. The contribution list was posted here. NO ONE in those immediate families contributed any monies to any of those campaigns.
I would like to suggest a few things here as we wait. Emotions, most specially for those of you local folks, are running very high.
You will find that if you confine yourself to facts it will be easier to deal with the outrage you are feeling. All of us as a body, constitutes an entity of immense power. That is exactly why the United States is strong.
Remember the words, WE THE PEOPLE.
Folks use that power wisely, for it is immense. It is ponderous but when it begins to move, nothing can stand in its way. So I urge you to caution, that in your outrage and desire to see justice you do not roll over the other innocent bystanders. Be sure of your facts, be sure of your claims. For simple facts is a razor sharp sword that can cut folks off at the knees.
Use the sword and the power behind it wisely.
To Lame,
Usually you have a short (depending on where the defendant is) period of time to respond when the Jury comes in. So unless you want to go stand at the court house you will not have time to get there.
I am absolutely sick to my stomach about this...I pray that she is found Not Guilty on All counts. If not, Holy Hell is going to break out. The citizens are pissed about the entire farce! Add the insult of "Casino Night" to the mix...it doesn't bode well!
Thanks, Kerwyn. I was just about to say the same thing.
Whatever the verdict -- and especially if it is guilty -- I don't want any character assassination of the families or their children, or their businesses. All of us are emotionally tied to this case, and for many of us, we have put much of our lives on hold as we follow what happens.
Yet, there is a larger issue out there that we must remember. If Tonya is convicted, she won't be the first innocent person to go to prison, nor will she be the last.
I would urge all of you to practice justice and decency in your lives. The best thing we can be for Tonya and for the good is to be upright and blameless in our own character.
We cannot change the character of others, but we do have control over what we say and do. And, if any of you are called to jury duty in a criminal (or even civil) case, please remember your own duty to what is right and to the protection of those rights and freedoms that our forefathers handed to us -- and which certain people in that courtroom have tried to destroy.
Please remember these things. I deeply appreciate all of you who have encouraged me, and I now pray for a just verdict.
I will add one thing. The prosecutors and the judge have engaged in a "scorched earth" legal strategy. The defense did not try to go that route, and Tonya certainly did not.
Let us emulate them and not the people who created this sorry situation in the first place.
The concept that jurors were not allowed to take notes is still a rumor until someone who was there and was sitting close enough to tell for sure and paid close attention to the jury comes forth and testifies to that. I honestly can't imagine a judge ordering a jury to not takes notes. If he did, that right there should be enough for a reversal on appeal.
I would imagine that it would be at least an hour from the time the verdict is reached and when it is handed down. It was reported yesterday that Tonya is staying at her parents home until a verdict is reached. Unless they have Star Trek transporters, they could not give the verdict immediately, without her in court.
Good point Mr Anderson. As much as we wish the opposite to be true, we cannot change the character or behavior of others. Just as in driving, we cannot change how someone else drives. We can only adjust ourselves.
Just remember something that Thomas Jefferson once said: "In matters of style, go with the flow. In matters of principle, stand like a rock."
Dr. Anderson, well said, and thank you.
I was on a jury in Catoosa and I was told NOT to take notes.
They wait to read the verdict until the defendant is there.
I've not posted in several days. Like most of you, I am waiting anxiously for the jury to return and like most of you I want "Not Guilty" to be the verdict. What I would like to add is this: I know for a fact that Jeff Beagle's mother -in-law has not attended the first minute of court in the Craft trial. When business takes me to Chickamauga, I will not hesitate to stop and enjoy some Choo Choo BBQ. Please stick to facts and avoid gossip or we are no better than the wagging tongues that started Mrs. Craft's ordeal.
I was there in the courtroom for most of the trial. The jury was NOT allowed to take notes. It was even mentioned in closing at one point. How can they be expected to remember 4 weeks of testimony with no notes? Another obvious, ignorant tactic meant to encourage the jury to rely on fear and character assassination rather than be able to look back at notes and see the inconsistencies. From my understanding the note-taking issue is left to the judge's discretion. Unfortunately, Judge House hasn't demonstrated any discretion since day one of this case.
Folks, the "not allowed to take notes" is common. The reasons behind it is this;
1. jury is so busy taking notes they are not listening (proven that most people cannot multi task like this, ask any teacher)
2. Jury is not sequestered. Notes have a bad habit of being lost, left behind or otherwise unsecured. Bad thing.
3. Paper and pencil make for note passing. That will get you thrown off the jury. It is better to just avoid it.
4. Inaccurate note taking. If a member of the jury simply writes down a "short hand" phrase such as "flipping tie at wit" they will "remember" that happening even if it didn't. hum sounds really familiar about memory doesn't it...
Remember that Jeff Beagles and his family and employees are not on trial.
What Mr. Anderson said........
Mr. Anderson,
Thank you for your words of wisdom in your 9:32am post. Emotions are high, but we should have learned from this trial that anger and frustration, when teamed with knee-jerk reactions, don't usually have a positive outcome. Those of us who see this injustice for what it is are understandably outraged, but need to be especially careful not to follow in the footsteps of the people who started this witch hunt. Thank you for encouraging us all to be careful in our thoughts, words, and deeds. Naming names and hurling irrelevant accusations won't accomplish anything positive or helpful. I would love to post your entire comment on my fb page as a reminder, but won't do so without your permission. Thanks again for your diligence and wisdom!
What I have noticed regarding the trial being shown at a national level is that they are strictly concerned with the children and the accusations. They are reporting due to the controversy, the town being divided, and protection of the children...rather than reporting on the lies and unfairness inside the courtroom. It's almost catch 22, they have to defend the children and if they bring up the one sidedness inside the courtroom it will portray them as having no feelings for the kids....I think it's as though "it doesn't really matter how the trial is being handled or what is being done wrong... if this happened to the children then someone needs to pay." They are reporting on "molestion" not the "3 stooges", therefore they don't care about the grounds for a mistrial. So, the attention that we were all screaming for has somewhat backfired, as I predicted. Some outlets have been somewhat fair to Tonya, but none have scratched the surface on the things Bill has discussed that will/can lead to a mistrial. I can only hope O'Riley will see a bit of what we know has happened. tplas
Was it Dr hazzard or Dr Aldridge office that the authorities came and took records.
@9:56
The sad part is that the media doesn't seem to realize that the corruption of the justice system is far worse than the molestation charges if they were true; all 22 of them. The corruption of the justice system is destroying entire communities in addition to the lives of individuals. This does not even include the corruption and degradation of people like House, Arnt, and Gregor who have been allowed to be corrupted by their own power unchallenged. Hopefully, this event will bring positive change, and more people will start calling out the media on their ignorance and vain attempts at claiming objectivity while shoving their blatant bias in our faces.
Anon 9:56 I wouldn't expect anything else until the jury is done deliberating and the trial is over, then we'll see. The story right now for them is the nature of the charges and who is alleged to have committed the crime. If you were watching one of those shows and they ran a short piece on some little town in the middle of nowheresville that had a trial going on that was receiving criticism for being rigged in one direction or the other, but no one had actually been found guilty or innocent yet in the face of overwhelming local opinion otherwise, would you be thinking "why did they even show that??" The national media doesn't get involved in that way until after the fact - not good for ratings, and honestly, I would agree it's good for the process either, although that's easy for me to say since I'm not the one on trial.
I have been told that the media will not touch the misconduct by the judge and prosecutors while the trial is still moving forward.
I was in court three or four times and never saw any of the jury taking notes!
correction - meant "not good for the process" at 10:13
Don't be surprised if House doesn't order an Allen charge if the jury doesn't have a verdict by this afternoon.
For those that don't know what that is, an Allen Charge is often done when a jury is unable to reach a consensus. The Allen charge is intended to encourage a jury to reach an agreement. This is the very tactic that Judge Bo Wood used when the jury was split 4-8 in the Sam Parker trial in order to get a conviction, and it worked. Seems to have set a precidence in LMJC that they will use when they feel a hung jury is imminent. Watch and see if the jury remains in deliberations.
"We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
I do believe it will bring a positive change but it is going to take persistence people. "We are the people" and things happen in numbers, we cant let it go now. Not me, no way, not after being consumed with this trial and figuring out what is going on!! This whole thing is EVIL. The prosecution down to the dirty ass judge thinks we are idiots!!! Shame on them for abusing their powers and then shoving it down our throats. The general public can only think about these poor pitiful children being molested! I too feel bad for them if they were molested but it wasn't by Tonya. The molestation charges are a smokescreen for the corruption in this town!! I live in Catoosa County and I'm ashamed of that. Thank you Brian House, Arnt, and Gregor for making this community look like a bunch of freakin bumpkins! House this is for you, I was totally wrong about you, you have proven that to all of us!
I couldn't sleep last night for thinking about this trial. As with all of you, I want truth and justice for Tonya. She remains in my heart and prayers. The other problem is all of the children involved. What happens to those three little girls that "supposedly" made the accusations and all of the other children that have been involved? This will have a lasting impact on all of them as well. My main question is--Will there be an agency that can/will step in to offer assistance to all of them or is that up to the parents? My heart breaks for all of those children and what they have been subjected to and what they are going through. Let us try to keep them in our hearts and prayers also. Bobb
anon 10:05, It was Dr. Hazzard's office that was raided. In a previous thread, it was said to be Dr. Aldridge. I see your confusion, but it was indeed Dr. Hazzard of Atlanta. When this is over, she will be able to speak about what, where & how it took place. It will be very compelling. I know people mean well, but it's that kind of confusion that causes more confusion. Hope that helps.
This from Callie Starnes twitter:
It seems the transcript for the #TonyaCraft trial will cost $376 A PAGE. There are easily 5,000 pages.
tplas says...
I agree 100% with the following comments after my 9:56 post. It's "no story" to them just yet. Once a verdict is reached, I'm not completely convinced it will become a "story" then...esp if she is found not guilty. House, Arnt, and Gregor need to answer for what they have done, as well as the CAC! It's all just hard to even comprehend. I never knew there was such corruption in our judicial system. I believe with out a doubt Bill will contiue this fight with Arnt and Gregor, I only hope these bloggers wil too. tplas
Bobb,
There's always the CAC who could "help." Of course, we already know what kind of help they would provide. God forbid the government makes such "assistance" mandatory and contracts it out to groups like the CAC. Aren't things bad enough already?
Callie crrected her post. $3.76 per page. Probably $19k for the entire transcript. Guess the LMJD does not want to the public to get ahold of this travesty of work.
Callie was wrong and has tweeted a correction, it's $3.76 a page. That's per the standard rate set by the Judicial Council of Georgia.
http://www.gccra.org/documents/FeeScheduleJuly12008.pdf
That's another thing I have learned in this trial, I had no idea it was that expensive. Just another way the system tries to keep from being held accountable by making the hurdle so high that most people can't jump it. That needs to change.
It's way too early for an Allen Charge.
In response to the many comments "what can we do?", besides donating money to Tonya's family via the Truth for Tonya website, I am reposting from yesterday corrected info about a special recall election and the general scenario from my 5:49 of 5/10/2010:
To force a recall petition of an elected official, from what I understand, per the laws governing recall in Georgia, supporters are required to collect signatures from a minimum of 100 registered voters.
The recall petition must state specific and legally valid grounds for a recall, and then a hearing is held before a Superior Court judge, where the party/ies facing recall can challenge the petition and get a dismissal. In this District, it would probably also take a motion to recuse the other judges of the LMJC from ruling on the recall. If they are named in the recall petition, they cannot rule as a matter of Constitutional mandate.
The District Administrator in Rome would either appoint an uninterested Judge from outside the LMJC, or hear the petition himself. If the petition survives the initial hearing before a judge, it then takes a second petition signed by 30 percent of registered voters in the LMJC to force a special recall election.
So it is doable, but the technicalities need to be handled properly. With Judge Kristina Graham facing a JQC reprimand tomorrow in Walker County, and some other issues yet not exposed regarding Wood and Van Pelt, it might be better to force a vote on all 4 judges, Buzz Franklin, as well as Arndt and Gregor.
That would send a very strong message that the voters and citizens of this Circuit want CHANGE. For reasons why all 4 Judges might be subject to recall, we have to look at how many cases involving CAC were heard before the other Judges, and the potential liability if a class action suit emerges regarding any other child molestation convictions in the LMJD.
Another issue, whatever political action group decides to take this on, needs to engineer it so that the Governor cannot appoint replacements. If Perdue is still in office, he'll just appoint good ol' boys to fill the spots.
An attorney is going to have to review the petition before it gets circulated. I'm not quite an attorney, and I do not happen to be a current resident in the LMJC. I have lived there in the past. I will set up a GMAIL account and probably a blogpost as well, I do have enough knowledge and resources to draft and be a gadfly for a PAC. In my spare time, that is, which I have none of, but then, don't we all.
Thanks Anon 10:45
I saw in several different places that said it was Dr Aldridge office. But I was told by very reliable source that it Dr Hazzard. I have more privy info but cannot disclose because I can't reveal source to back up statements.
It was Dr. Hazzard's office that was raided. I was in court when she testified to the fact.
@ 11:09,
That's probably a disinterested judge; not an uninterested one.
Regardless of verdict, let this be a lesson in being involved and educated before you cast your vote. Do not vote for people because "he seems like a good man" or " he goes to my church" know these people, do your research, they will represent "YOU", people it is up to you!
I stand corrected on which Dr's office was raided, however, no legally justifiable grounds could possibly exist for such a raid. Again, prosecutorial misconduct.
@ anon 11:09, LOL thanks, yes. The judge needs to have some interest, but must be IMPARTIAL, no possible conflict with the Canons of Judicial Conduct!
chatton, AMEN to that!! There is much truth to the statement "we get the government we deserve" and a complacent and uninformed electorate not only is corrosive to our freedoms and system of government, but is also exactly what those who want to consolidate their power to better use and abuse us for their own personal gain are counting on.
Aren't the transcripts public records? I've viewed transcripts in person and instead of paying the inflated price for copies I photographed the pages I needed with my digital camera and in one case I brought in my small photocopier.
http://www.aolnews.com/crime/article/molestation-trial-of-ex-teacher-tonya-craft-is-a-sham-supporters-say/19472052
Here is the link to the aol news peice. they used my maiden name Lefler not my married name.
Tried the link to aol news and it doesn't work. :(
Victoria, yes, the transcripts are public records, however at this point access is not allowed while the matter is still in proceedings.
Also, the Court can restrict access as long as they decide they need to, especially if the verdict comes in guilty and goes to appellate review.
Dr. Anderson,
Please include Brian House in your disbarment campaign. I have known him for 20 years and he is all about promoting himself. He is arrogant enough to think he is on the bench for life.
Have you been invited to appear on Judy O'Neal's programs (by phone or in person)?
I am really worried that the reason why they are deliberating so long is because they are figuring out which of the 22 charges to stick her with. It seems that if they were to acquit or it was hung , or guilty of all counts they would be done by now. I hope I am wrong.
"anon 10:05, It was Dr. Hazzard's office that was raided. In a previous thread, it was said to be Dr. Aldridge. I see your confusion, but it was indeed Dr. Hazzard of Atlanta. When this is over, she will be able to speak about what, where & how it took place. It will be very compelling. I know people mean well, but it's that kind of confusion that causes more confusion. Hope that helps."
I hesitate to use the word "raid".
Dr Hazzard said "searched" the paper reported the following;
At one point prosecutors Len Gregor and Chris Arnt filed an action with the Fulton County Sheriff’s Office to obtain any records relating to the children in the case by use of a search warrant. The FCSO SWAT unit served the warrant, allegedly “tossing” the doctor’s office in their quest for the files.
Either way, it is just another point to consider about these prosecutors.
Remember, on Nov 23 2009 Ann Hazzard testified in a bond modification hearing (brought by Craft in a bid to see her children) that she had found NO sexual abuse after a forensic interview with the craft children.
I cannot find the date that the daughter finally said her mother abused her. The closest date I can come to is this;
Fri, June 6, 2008: Girl #3 interviewed a second time at Green House in Dalton, GA by Suzie Thorne.
As you can see, the Nov 23rd testimony by Dr Hazzard which was NOT allowed by the judge would have severely damaged the prosecutions timeline
Great job Harmony!
As for the Boyd woman, she's like a bad penny, she just keeps turning up. When you can only get one person to be a public cheerleader for conviction on this type of crime, then that says a lot.
The transcript costs are the copying costs unless you want it certified, then it is more
Harmony, Thank you for the post. It worked for me.
I am enraged that prosectution can and does lower themselves to character assasination to prove guilt. These are attempts to inflame the jury based on their personal beliefs and , if I were on the jury, it would piss me off that these people don't think I have enough sense to think. So in a sense, they are attacking the jury as well. The prosecution has tried to say by their actions that you the jury are to stupid to understand the facts, so convict her on her violation of your personal beleifs, because if she did this , she must have done that. They are trying to play on the jury's percieved ignorance of the law. It's a win at all cost mentality. What really makes me mad is that if a guilty person was convicted and overturned because of these antics, they have done an injustice to the people they are supposed to protect.
Just my opinion for what it is worth.
@ Victoria;
If the jury takes the time to review the testimony for each and every single count and vote on each count, even if they all agree she should be found not guilty, it would likely take four hours (11 minutes per count).
Victoria,
I disagree. I think they are doing the "due diligence" and evaluating each and every charge. I think theis is appropriate. I am no legal eagle, just my opinion, and hope.
"As you can see, the Nov 23rd testimony by Dr Hazzard which was NOT allowed by the judge would have severely damaged the prosecutions timeline"
If you want to know why I have blogged so hard on this trial, Kerwyn's post lays out the reasons in a nutshell. The prosecutors had their story and they were bound and determined NOT to let anything contradictory get in the way, even if it was the truth.
Then they got House to give them the hand they needed. Yet, to me, the blood of Tonya Craft is on the whole LMJD, not just House and the prosecutors. If the other judges were stressing honor and integrity, House never would have done these things.
Kerwyn, I just prefer to use the word raid. If a SWAT team is sent in with a search warrant, it isn't for a fun, friendly search. My friends on the SWAT team always refer to it as "raids" when they go in. Search, raid, whatever anyone wants to call it, it was wrong.
I will also share this, my friends in the neighboring Chattanooga area are itching for a visit from any of these jokers. Tonya has a great deal of police on her side, unfortunately, they are from Chattanooga & Hamilton County, nonetheless, they see what is wrong & she has a very close friend who is a detective who has been very outspoken regarding her innocence.
I've been told delibrations could last several days.
I'm not even certain the jury has access to transcrips of the testimony. As in the note taking, access to transcripts is at the discretion of the trial judge. Anyone know for sure? Also, the jury may be debating the issues as thoroughly as the public has. This trial took a month, covered a lot of territory. I would suspect several days for deliberations is reasonable. Again, these people are all individuals, and there will be divergent opinions over many of the different details. As in any group, some will rise to dominate the discussion and become "power jurors". The jury foreman may not be the leading voice of opinion, and other group dynamics surely will come to play. If they come out and acquit in one day, it will be a HUGE victory for justice.
I was told that Tonya will have approximately 25-20 minutes to get to the courthouse when she is notified of a verdict (for those who asked) I was also told the courtroom would be closed to the public. I know the camera has already been removed and House is just sitting on his throne waiting.
As for the "raid" - I know that how that was portrayed was one of the items of discussion in chambers the morning Dr. Hazzard testified. The PI's office was also ransacked in the middle of the night - they were looking for the "Jerry" tapes. They did not find them, but they do exist.
I just cannot imagine how she is feeling. I don't want to imagine. I hope those involved are proud. They've ruined family names and split an entire county. Even at my age, my mama would have me over her knee.
Actually, it was NOT a SWAT team, but rather a police raid, but without the hardcore paramilitary gear. Nonetheless, I am sure the cops were well-armed, as they had to go up against a therapist whose information might damage the prosecution's timeline.
No matter the outcome of this trial, I am going to have future posts in which I outline at least some of the exculpatory evidence that Brian House would not let be shown the jury.
Believe me, it will be explosive, and it will be the truth.
Juries are strange things I think. My best friend has an uncanny ability to end up on jury duty. At his last go-round, it was a fairly serious case with a stout prison term hanging in the balance. The jury gets settle in to begin, and one old codger leans his chair back up against the wall and loudly proclaims "y'all just count my vote however you want, I really don't care much either way." Some of the more on the ball types quickly shushed him since it was in the cramped courthouse annex, and there were attorneys, the public, etc. milling about just outside the door. That was here in the LMJC.
When I was a juror in Catoosa, we did not have access to transcripts. We asked and were denied.
Financial contributions are not the only means used for supporting a candidate. Putting up signs, holding signs at voting precincts, knocking on doors, handing out fliers, telling people who do not research candidates who to vote for, anonymous contributions, donating supplies--poles, lumber, etc., making signs, assisting with mailouts, fund raisers, and on and on are a few examples of how to support a candidate. And, I cannot imagine someone not playing by the rules and reporting all of the financial assistance received...tee hee
From Callie Starnes Twitter:
We are told Judge Brian House told both sides, "It's my courtroom and I can interpret the law the way I want"
What an asshole!!!
If the people who put you there have anything to say about it, not for long Bri, not for long.
No offense to attorneys in general, but like many others blogging I have an advanced degree too. House may think his JD means his doesn't stink, but there are many out there who on their worst day are ten times more on the ball than him, and if they would have wanted to make go into that field, would have had no problem doing so.
They can't stop us from being on the courthouse lawn, now can they?
We need to show up with signs, wearing yellow.
http://www.presstelegram.com/california/ci_15010629
Link to a very simliar case as Tonya's.
Case ended last week with a mistrial after 3 days of deliberations.
Check out the article, teacher in Calif. accused of fondling students and he had a huge group of supporters.
Who is getting together petitions against House?
11 Years ago I served Floyd County on the murder case where Mark McPhearson killed a lady who was just trying to help him get off drugs. It was awful. I remember all the feelings of putting this man away forever or possibly to his death. What you have to do is think about the crimes he commited. The evidence was there in the physical evidence as well as black and white on paper. No matter the feelings we had toward either side of the family is was hard.
I myself think that Tonya is as innocent as they come. I have never met her face to face. I do however feel she is part of my life somehow. This trial has consummed me. I pray for her. I also pray that the jury (being payed or not) will also see the evidence (or lack of) that we have only read about. They were there in the same room. They will have to live with their actions forever. I know this from first hand experience. What I have to do when I think back to that experience is know what we did was right, we had evidence DNA to be exact, proof where he had stolen her credit cards and a lot of other evidence. Just know that justice was served and we did all we could do to help get some kind of comfort for her family.
Maybe they will realize they have no evidence agaisnt her.
Anyone check out the latest photo on the website for Casino Night? It NOW shows the showgirls with no Elvis, fully clothed.
NOW THAT IS FUNNY!!!
Idiots.
Are people going to the courthouse for the verdict? I know that only 20 get to go inside, but there is no limit to how many in the halls or on the lawn.
I know I will be there!
Anon @ 12:41 and any others interested. Read my 8:25 in this thread about getting in contact.
Anon 1:04
That's because Kevin West of WGOW ran a story on the hypocrites on the radio this morning. He went into the Vegas theme and the showgirls. He really tore them a new one! Great job Kevin.
Transcripts
In most states the transcripts are NOT public record, they are the property of the court reporter.
There is a national organization some belong to that sell them and file claims for copycopyright infringemnet is all or excessive portions of the transcripts are published.
One way around it I have seen is for attorneys to file them as an attachment to court filings (motions...). Then they evidently become public record, as I've never read of any problems that resulted from that process.
Just going by what Kerwyn said about it being a SWAT team.
Sorry, was interupted and did not proof read that last comment!
The 2nd paragraph should read;
There is a national organization some belong to that sell them and file claims for copyright infringemnet if all or any excessive portions of the transcripts are published.
Bill, as I have said before, I am not a "twitter" person (only signed up to follow trial), so I'm not sure how it all works...when I reply to your tweet, do you see it? Or do you only see tweets from the people you follow? I follow you, but you don't follow me. My question is when you say "put the story out there" where is "there" exactly? And let me apologize up front for my ignorance! Thanks! tplas
Why have the cameras been removed from the courtroom? Is House going to have a tantrum if the jury says not guilty? Are Arnt & Gregor afraid they may break down & cry if not guilty is returned? You would think that if a guilty verdict is returned they would want the world to see Tonya Craft taken away in handcuffs.
Instead of Wisdom, Justice, Moderation that's call it Wimps, Jerks & Mommasboys.
Mr. Anderson and others, I am a retired educator of 32 years. I am working a part-time job. I feel that I can't get involved in the politics there because I live in Soddy Daisy. However, I am very good at research and I can offer/donate time to any of you that need it. I know several of you have full time jobs and you are "burning the midnight oil" on your fact finding. If I may help any of you in any way please let me know. I'll be glad to send you my e-mail address. I'm known on BlogSpot as volfan69. I just haven't used that because I didn't want to appear to be a sports nut that isn't really interested.
On another note, I know that Brian Ross of ABC, Byron Pitts and Ira Rosen of 60 Minutes, and Drew Griffin of CNN/US (based in Atlanta) are all investigative reporters. I will find contact information for them if any of you think they could be of help in this case once a verdict has been reached and we know what is coming next. At your service, Bobb
I was telling my husband last night that people who think the LA riots were bad haven't seen anything like they will see in Ringgold if a Guilty verdict is handed down.
I will be in Chattanooga this weekend for a family gathering but would like to drop by the T4T picnic. Can someone fill me in as to where and when it will be?
Here's the link from KCGs reprimand today. The last paragraph is a good one.
http://www.catoosanews.com/view/full_story/7390252/article-Lookout-Mountain-Judicial-Circuit-judge-reprimanded?instance=home_news_1st_left
Volfan69~
I sent Brian Ross an email weeks ago & never heard back. Did anyone else email him too?
my post on channel 9's site in response to their factual mistakes in reporting.
contacted you in reference to your claims of a conspiracy.
First you put forth it was by her defense. It was by the prosecution. Both Gregor and Arnt used it, the defense never did.
I acknowledge you changed it when I pointed this out to you, however then you amazingly attributed this "conspiracy theory" as follows "The "Truth for Tonya" website has named both men in its "conspiracy against Tonya.""
Once again you are factually incorrect. No where on that site, does the author make any such claim. It only appears on the comment section of the blog,comments made by either unknown or unregistered individuals.
In order to assist you in factually reporting and in the interest of truth I will summarize this for you.
There are 7 mentions of the word "conspire" or "conspiracy".
In order to be completely accurate I give you the actual use of the above two words.
3 references to the prosecution calling it a Conspiracy.
1 Reference to Wendy Murphy and Matt Lauer calling it a Conspiracy (used twice in that reference)
1 Asks the question "is this a witch hunt or conspiracy"
1 Reference to the word Conspire.
All of these were by free form comments on a blog. I cannot see how you managed to claim that this was an idea fostered by the site itself. It is a HUGE reach to attach the comments on a blog to being the claim of the author of the site itself.
If you hold that as your factual standard, perhaps we should scour your website for comments made and hold you factually accountable for those statements.
Appalling lack of research for a journalist to make.
http://www.newschannel9.com/news/business-991114-craft-good.html
2 Peter 2:12
But these, like irrational animals, creatures of instinct, born to be caught and destroyed, blaspheming about matters of which they are ignorant, will also be destroyed in their destruction......
The 3some will pay!
ihatecatoosa, maybe Mr. Ross is waiting for it to be over before he responds and gets involved. We can only hope that is the case. Thanks for your response. Bobb
Mr. Anderson,
Just a little correction from your 5:02 post, Chris Arnt isn't Baptist, he is Catholic.
Thanks for all you are doing!
Judge Van Pelt is also horrible...he is not decent. He is nearly as bad a Brian House.
They are all corrupt...
Interesting that Joal Henke facebook page has his favorite news channel is 9. Maybe he is the one helping to misguide them...
callie just twittered... Jury deliberating more than 7 hours. Only 1 ? Yesterday they asked to see child interview. Not allowed.
I meant to post on this thread and scrolled down too far and it was on the thread from last night, so reposting here:
I agree with Bill, no matter the verdict, everyone needs to take the high road in how we behave. I very much want to see this judicial system changed and the judge and DA and others disciplined for their actions, but it has to be done in the right way. Also, these children are victims as much as Tonya is, they have been led by adults. They do not understand what they have done. I also pray that they will get the help they need. I am sure emotions on both sides are running high, but I hope that everyone will think before they act or speak, especially since we have full national coverage in Ringgold awaiting the verdict.The DA's office made a big mistake in taking on this case. They thought Tonya would just cave in as many others have done, but she fought back. In doing so, they have opened themselves up to scrutiny that they have never before been subjected to. I think the days of the good ole boy system in this judicial district are almost over and it is about time. The sad thing is, they have over the years probably sent real criminals to prison, but their misconduct in this case and others will overshadow any good they have done.
Everyone,
Channel 9 has rewritten their story (the one I refer to up a bit). Very well written and extremely factual.
Bravo Channel 9!
Well done Kerwyn! Mr. "@Public_Interest" didn't enjoy my diatribe the other day slamming them. Not for this trial either, for an incident from the same day Tonya lost her job. I asked him if he decided to follow me because I spoke the truth....no response. I asked who their chattanooga attorney was in the courtroom that would say that Tonya's demeanor was not good for her defense....no response. He had also "listed" me. So I blocked him. They truly have no interest in telling the truth & never have. They will twist anything & everything said to them, even if given a written statement. I won't grace them with my presence on their site.
Comparing the potential reaction of a guilty verdict is this case to the Rodney King reaction is way off base for several reasons. One is the type of people involved here and there. Very, very different, and that isn't a racist statement. Secondly, this town is very small and "troublemakers" will NO DOUBT suffer consequences for speaking out against the powers that run the little towns of Ringgold and Chickamauga. How do you think these people keep there power despite their total disregard for decency? Fear and intimidation. You can think that things such as the "Chickamauga Mafia" aren't real, but you would be sadly mistaken. These places are dirty little towns with lots of dirty little secrets and a guilty verdict in this case will not change that. Will there be outrage? Of course. Will it matter? Probably not. What's the old saying? You can't fight city hall. There is a reason that is not just a cliche, folks.
Well, I definitely would not want to see any violence, as enough violence has been done by the authorities against innocent people. Don't make those people into heroes, please.
The one thing that we have is the truth, and I, for one, will work to make sure that people know the truth, including what House and the prosecutors successfully kept from the jury.
One thing that makes me angry, however, is that the jurors seemed to think it was just fine for the prosecutors to bully everyone, to cut off the defense, and to make it obvious that they were running the show.
If that is what Catoosa County people want for prosecutors and judges, well, I guess that is what they have. There are lots of people who are unhappy with it, but now realize there is nothing they can do.
There is a real master-slave relationship between prosecutors and judges (especially prosecutors) and everyone else.
Mr. Anderson,
I have been told by a very reliable source that she passed two polygraphs. Do you have any knowledge of that and why that information has not been released?
I'm praying hard today that the jury finds her innocent!
She did pass two polygraphs, both given by a very reputable person. Polygraph evidence generally is not admissible in court, however.
Nonetheless, that is ancillary evidence and certainly demonstrates good faith on the part of the accused. However, the CAC and prosecutors dismissed the results, claiming that Tonya was a "sociopath" who could fake anything she wanted.
Funny, her friends don't see her as a sociopath, and for anyone who has known such people, it is not hard to spot one. As I see it, there are some sociopaths running about Catoosa County.
How do we have an opinion yet how the jurors took the prosecution's bullying tactics? Until we hear their verdict and hear them speak publicly, if some of them choose to do so, then I'm not sure it is fair to assume that they weren't offended by it also.
The fact that the jury has been deliberating this long indicates that at least some of the jurors are "law and order" types who are subservient to authority and believe that anyone accused of a crime MUST be guilty, regardless of whether or not there is any evidence. Not good, because these people are fundamentally irrational and not likely to be convinced by reasoned argument.
This is symptomatic of a larger problem in this country, which helps to explain why the USA is a declining empire saddled with insurmountable debt and a rapidly metastasizing police state. The sheeple will get what they deserve. It's a shame the rest of us have to be dragged into it.
In regards to the polygraphs.
Arnt and Gregor demanded she take "stipulated" polygraphs. The defense refused (I have NO idea WHAT stipulations the Prosecution was demanding).
Instead she took two and passed them with a >95% score of truthfulness (from post on Truth for Tonya Website).
You said;
Anonymous said...
The fact that the jury has been deliberating this long indicates that at least some of the jurors are "law and order" types who are subservient to authority and believe that anyone accused of a crime MUST be guilty, regardless of whether or not there is any evidence. Not good, because these people are fundamentally irrational and not likely to be convinced by reasoned argument.
This is symptomatic of a larger problem in this country, which helps to explain why the USA is a declining empire saddled with insurmountable debt and a rapidly metastasizing police state. The sheeple will get what they deserve. It's a shame the rest of us have to be dragged into it.
Factually incorrect. The length of time a jury deliberates is normally associated with the number of counts they must come to consensus on. This jury has LESS than 8 hours on a month long case.
It does show due diligence. Granted those of us who have the unshakable belief that she is innocent think the jury should have walked in, sat down, voted not guilty and walked out. As nice a fantasy as that is, it would NOT show any due diligence.
Do not mistake length of deliberation with lack of care.
Generally juries that come back quickly, come back with a guilty verdict. Think about that for a bit.
Given how many weeks this trial went on, I don't think that the jury has deliberated for that long.
RT @Nosie_Rosie: #tonyacraft jury deliberating more than 7 hrs. Only one ? Yesterday they asked to see child interview. Not allowed.
This was just twittered. Why would this request of the jury be denied? I am not up on the law.
GA law does not allow the jury to review video evidence
Thanks. Thought it may have been House's rule.
Anon 2:17, I have to disagree with you. I don't think these people are a mafia of any sort. Yes, they use intimidation tactics and backstabbing and malicious gossip, but that's more in line with the antics found in Harper Valley PTA or Peyton Place, only in this case a very pathetic imitation. And the changes you imply don't necessarily have to come from violence. My dad used a great analogy to teach us about the election process. He said that every four years, this country goes through a revolution. It's bloodless but a revolution nevertheless. You see, revolution is a sudden, radical, or complete change. Nowhere is it written in the Merriam Webster dictionary that it has to involve bloodshed. Therefore, what I'm proposing is getting together a group of like minded people, all with our own different but similar reasons, and beginning change through peaceful methods. Those won't necessarily mean picketing (a waste of time in my opinion since the press and those in a position to help you usually regard picketers as kooks) but change from within the same system we abhor. That change won't come overnight, but a start is voting out those we don't think will do what's necessary to clean up this travesty. BTW - I did vote earlier and reminded my husband to stop on his way home. Remember GA 9th District. We're picking the person to replace Nathan Deal today.
So, back to my thoughts. Anyone interested in getting together to knock this out, contact me at kathispray@yahoo.com. I'm a bit tangled up in teen son's big going on's at middle school tonight. As he's in 8th grade, and it's his last year there, I can't very tell him to wait until next time. So, if I take a day or two to answer, please understand.
Oh and one more thing. From experiencing big trials as a kid in CA, I know one thing for sure. The longer the jury deliberates, the more tense the prosecution becomes. We might even get a shot of our terrible trio biting their nails or pulling out their hair. Long deliberation is good if nerve wracking.
I personally do not think this jury has been out very long. They have this woman's life in their hands and have to remember 5 weeks of testimony. Also, I don't feel at this point we have any idea what the jury thinks about the 3 stooges and their attitudes. For all we know there are a few wanting a guilty verdict and a lot fighting for Tonya. We just don't know. I sat on a jury about a METH lab and we took hours!! If my memory is correct, I'm thinking 6 or 7. It was a 1 day case! This has been 5 weeks!! Let's not jump to speculation.
first sentence should say has NOT been out very long! sorry!!!
KC, I appreciate what you say, but the people that run the towns aren't elected officials. And, I wasn't referring to a literal mafia. The term "Chickamauga Mafia" has been around for years to illustrate that a very small group of people run the town. The people that live in Chickamauga know exactly what I am talking about.
Does the judge know the verdict before the jurors come back into the courtroom?
jason s...in a normal court no, but this one...who knows!!!! tplas
Anyone know if the DA offered Tonya a plea deal? If so what was it?
Why would anyone want to take a polygraph test?
One thinks that if they are not guilty and pass the test then it would convince the prosecutors or investigators to drop the case or look somewhere else.The public now sees what really happens.
If you fail a polygraph it convinces them that you are indeed guilty.
If you pass . . . you are STILL GUILTY. So why should you ever take one?
In this case the defendant passed two tests without any deception whatsoever, which is rare. The examiner was an expert that had taught polygraph techniques for nine years from what I understand.
FAIL = GUILTY . . . . PASS = GUILTY
ihatecatoosa said...
Anyone know if the DA offered Tonya a plea deal? If so what was it?
*****
LOL! Probably told her plead guilty or else...
It seems that the story has been Tonya worked hard immediately to prove her innocence, research how to defend herself, so one would have to wonder why the prosecutor would have even offered a deal, if they did.
But, we've seen those prosecutors will do many things we would not expect, so the question is ripe for an answer.
I think it shows good faith on the part of the jury that they are taking each count and going over the facts according to that count and really evaluating the truth. At least, that is my opinion.
Melydia Clewell (Nosie_Rosie) wrote that it is against the law for the jury to review the video evidence, but the jury has access to all transcripts and photos. Anyone know if this is correct? Thanks, Bobb
Daisy said:
I think it shows good faith on the part of the jury that they are taking each count and going over the facts according to that count and really evaluating the truth.
The biggest task for the noteless jury then would be to figure out which count goes where in the timeline from the conflicting and impeached testimony.
anon 2:39, I have to disagree with you. By the jury taking longer (which I had hoped), it actually shows them practicing due diligence. From speaking to friends who are attorneys & judges, they suspect & also hoped, the jurors would take some time. By asking to view the interviews, it may be as simple as wanting to see their demeanor or maybe they were listening to Dr. Lorandos about the inconsistancies between the interviews & their court appearance. Who truly knows? Not I, but I can say that in a situation like this, it is better if they take longer. Think of it this way, they were in there for 21 days. They were unable to take the simplest of notes. Most jurors who take notes jot down simple questions they would like to re-visit during deliberation. At least everyone I know who has sat on a jury. Now mix in the fact that Arnt & Gregor tried everything in their power to just assassinate the character of every defense witness & Tonya herself. Now mix in the overzealous, childish behaviors of the prosecutors & House. Next, throw in the fact that everything in the prosecutions closing arguments were either lies or words they pulled off of this site, the TFT site & the TFT FB page. Now you have confusion. It just seems to me they are looking into everything they are allowed. We all know they are going to be hindered, but it does have the feel of an honest jury.
Right now, all we can do is pray for them. Pray that they can see past all of the lies, charades, disgusting behavior & character assassination, and find Tonya not guilty.
May The Lord bless them and keep them.
May the Lord make His face to shine upon them, and be gracious to them.
May the Lord lift up His countenance upon them, and give them peace. Amen
I cannot type this fast enough. Judge Ralph Van Pelt allows Attorney Larry Stagg to be his Election Campaign Chairman and Treasurer for years and also allows him to bring cases before him publicly and in ex parte (secret) without recusal or even notifying the parties that they have such an intimate and fiduciary relationship. How then can Van Pelt be held in such high esteem? How many of you have been in his court when he wasn't even listening but was playing on his laptop? Over and over again he shows that he doesn't need to participate when he made his conclusion before you walk in the courthouse door!
Ralph Van Pelt gave ex parte custody to a man with a legally and medically declared aggressive behavior disorder because he was crafty enough to hire Stagg. After the deed was done and Van Pelt was confronted with the information about their business dealings Van Pelt recused leaving the children with a man known legally and medically to be violent! The father then choked one of the boys and busted one boy's lip but DFACS cannot intercede because 1) a Superior Court judge's order supercedes all! 2) Stagg is the attorney on retainer for even DFACS and their employees!
If you were a person with a judge and a lawyer building each other's careers and finances wouldn't you feel you should know!?
Look at the State Ethics Site:
http://ethics.georgia.gov/Reports/Campaign/Campaign_Name.aspx?NameID=109&FilerID=C2006000015&Type=candidate
CHAIRPERSON INFORMATION/ TREASURER INFORMATION
Lawrence A. Stagg
670 Lafayette St.
Ringgold, GA 30736
Please spare me the goodness of Van Pelt. I have lived it. I do not exaggerate when I say that I fear for these children's life every day. Just like Tonya a witch hunt brought down a family for money.
"Update 2:30 p.m.
The TODAY Show crew will be staying overnight for more coverage of the Tonya Craft verdict tomorrow." From News Channel 3 website.
Does that mean there will be a verdict tomorrow?
To anon 2:17,3:10 @ "KC and The Sunshine Band" Please understand that neither Tonya nor any of her accusers/parents are from Chickamauga. The only one who lived in Chickamauga was Tonya. People should not Bash the city or the School system. The Boyd's,Wilson's, Lamb's are not part of the "chickamauga mafia". Number one if they pooled all of their money (well actually their Daddy's money) they still would not have enough to be in that elite group... There is "old" money in Chickamauga (in the millions) people there don't need their money. Most wish that they would take their drama elsewhere!Most think that Tonya is innocent. And, given the circumstances i'm not so sure that any school would have responded any differently.
Saw this posted on the WRCB Facebook page as a comment....who can verify this is what House actually said? If so, I can't even speak I am so livid over all this.
I heard through family of Tonya today that yesterday when the judge was charging the jury, he told them that they were not to go decide a guilty or not guilty verdict but they were to decide "if they were going to stand behind three little girls or not".
I just saw this on the local news facebook page. Does anyone know if it is true or not?
I heard through family of Tonya today that yesterday when the judge was charging the jury, he told them that they were not to go decide a guilty or not guilty verdict but they were to decide "if they were going to stand behind three little girls or not"...I am outraged about this so called judge. Callie, did you catch that yesterday?
KBP~
I'm asking, not because I think she would/should have taken it, but because Chris Arnt offered my husband one within 30 days of the indictment being handed down. He didn't take it. I was told it was standard for them to offer one.
Question - Suppose its a hung jury and the persecution wants to try the case again. The girls finally get there story straight and more "evidence" is added to bolster the story. Can the prior testimonies from this case be admitted to show how the story and evidence changed or is it a blank slate? Would Tonya need to rehire all the defense experts or can their prior testimony's be used?
to the 3:52
That would be a shocking statement, to be sure, and yet another reason to overturn a guilty verdict. However, I am not at all sure that House made that statement in his charge to the jury, although he is fully capable of saying something like that.
I also think that others would have picked up on it. Yet, this is a "trial" in which the ridiculous has been the norm.
Are the state and defense priveleged to get updates on where the Jury stands??
Karen
http://www.ex-parte-abuse-in-custody-cases.com/2010/01/open-letter-to-judge-ralph-van-pelt.html
Go read
Karen,
If the jury sends out a note that they are deadlocked (hung) then the lawyers will be told, but only then.
ATTENTION EVERYONE SHES OUT THERE!! Miriam Boyd is at it again-i just drove by the courthouse and she cruising the streets, talking to all the cameras-TONYA SUPPORTERS GET OUT THERE AND TALK TO THE MEDIA. LET THEM KNOW THE TRUTH. THIS IS WHY THE INCORRECT INFO IS GETTING OUT!! INSIDE EDITION,TODAY SHOW, CBS AND ALL THE LOCAL MEDIA IS THERE. I'M GOING BACK WITH MY YELLOW AND I WILL TELL MIRIAM HELLO!!
wear a thong on top of your jeans! : )
I wish i had a yellow pair of thong underwear, I would wear them!! LOL That was great!! Who the hell is this hag? Does she work or just roam the streets? As I drove by her I screamed out the window GO HOME!! LOL
I'M HEADING DOWN TO THE COURTHOUSE
WISH ME LUCK!
Reporters, save yourselves! Miriam Boyd is on the cruise for a camera!
WRCB's attorneys have been contacted about the media being locked out of the courtroom. tweet from Callie Starns
Is there a specific place @ the courthouse I can sit/show support with Tonya's supporters? CA
We've been thinking of crashing the CAC party with our yellow Tshirts, of course then we'd funding the machine
According to the reporters, there is a verdict, but we don't yet know it.
THERE IS A VERDICT!!!!!
I feel sick! On my knees praying!
Wow! Is this entire circuit corrupt? We have Brian House, in the Tonya Craft case, no more needs to be said. Then Kristina Cook Graham gets a reprimand this morning (should have been more in my opinion. but I am sure Daddy Cook had his hand in there somewhere) Then I read the above article posted by Kerwyn on Ralph Van Pelt. I don’t even know what to say, except that I am embarrassed for my State that this can go on and nothing be done about it. God help us all if this is really the way justice is served.
Mike in Rome
Dr Anderson,
What's your gut feeling......
Guys, don't just feel bad about Georgia having bad judges. Here in Utah a couple of years ago a female judge threw a guy into the slammer on a contempt of court charge because he tried to walk out of the courtroom (he was a spectator) while she was on a rant at his brother. He made no noise, did not disrupt, but because he left during her rant, she asked him why he was leaving. He said that he was tired of hearing her rant, and so she threw the book at him.
Have they let the camera back in yet? Sec.I of Rule 22 allows media in. Then again, in this court the rewls are made up by team A&G and rubber-stamped by H.
Reminds me of the Eddie Izzard bit about how England colonized India with the ingenious use of flags: "We claim your country because you don't have a flag. No flag, no country. That's the rule I've just made up."
Verdict is in.
Watch LIVE
http://bit.ly/4vtkUC
will be live stream about 10 mins
OK, camera back in. WTF were they thinking taking it out. Judge had to know the media wasn't going to just go away like sad little English school boys told they could not have any more porrage.
I feel so nervous right now. I feel like this will change my life as a person as it will change Tonya's. I don't know her but I feel like I do through this trial and as a mom who would do anything for my kids.
Channel 3 just had an article about the lawyers involved in this case. Scott King graduated from University of Florida. I knew there was something about him I didn't like. GO NOLES!!!
LOL
Me too!! God be with her!
Confirmed - 25 allowed in for the defense, 39 for the prosecution.
Typical!!!!!
PRAY FOR TONYA!!! NOT GUILTY ON ALL 22 COUNTS!!! I AM PRAYING SO HARD RIGHT NOW!!!!
thanks Kerwyn!
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