Thursday, May 6, 2010

Comparing the Expert Witnesses: The CAC Versus Honest People

[Update, Thursday May 6 6:15 PM]: The proceedings today, if anything, cemented my views that (1) Brian House totally is in the tank with the prosecution and he considers it to be his duty to engineer a conviction of Tonya Craft, (2) by keeping medical records out that constitute CLEAR EXCULPATORY EVIDENCE just because Arnt and Gregor don't want anything to contradict their dishonest narrative and get in their way of a conviction, and (3) he permitted Len Gregor to tell David Craft that he (Gregor) "is not paid per child molester."

(Dennis Norwood of The Chattanoogan has an excellent account of the day's events.)

First, when the attorney asked Ms. Craft if there were things that she could not tell the jury, the prosecutors objected. (Since when have they not objected to everything, since their goal is to "disrupt the tribunal," which breaks the rules Georgia sets for prosecutors.) House also threw up his arms and hollered at the defense, essentially telling the jury that he was on the side of the prosecutors.

A real judge is not supposed to engage in this kind of one-sided behavior. People who are quite familiar with courts and their appropriate decorum tell me that what House did was inexcusable and (again) another prejudicial action that will make it almost a given that a guilty verdict would be overturned.

Second, let us look at the issue of the medical records. After Kelly McDonald caught her daughter and so-called child #3 (this is Tonya's Child, the third one interviewed in court) engaging in inappropriate behavior, McDonald whipped her daughter with the belt (which is on the record). Because she was concerned, Tonya Craft took her daughter to her pediatrician TO HAVE AN EXAM OF THE CHILD'S PRIVATES TO SEE IF THERE WERE ANY SIGNS OF ABUSE. The exam results, according to the child's doctor, were NORMAL.

This is important, for if Ms. Craft were molesting children (as the prosecution claims she was doing at the time), then why in the world would she take her own child -- whom prosecutors said she was sexually abusing -- and have a doctor check for abuse? It makes no sense.

Yet, THOSE were the medical records that Brian House -- acting on orders from the Dishonest Duo, -- REFUSED to be allowed into evidence. Yes, clear exculpatory evidence is not permitted to be shown in House's courtroom. Furthermore, the medical records would contradict the testimony given by Sharon Anderson, and there is no way that House is going to permit medical evidence that demonstrate that Arnt, Gregor and Anderson are lying.

(Notice that the results also agree with what Dr. Nancy Fajman said after examining the photos of the children's private parts. Of course, the prosecution tried to have Dr. Fajman disqualified as a defense witness. Hmm. Does anyone notice a pattern of lies and misconduct?)

Interested readers might want to see Rule 3.3 for prosecutors in Georgia. Notice that the rule makes clear that prosecutors are not supposed to be hiding exculpatory evidence, yet here we have a tag-team effort to do just that in order to have a better chance for a conviction that all of them know would be wrongful.

The third grievous act was Len Gregor's remark that he "is not paid by the child molester." In a real court of law, he immediately would have been sanctioned for saying that and told sternly by the judge that he should not do it again. Instead, we see that House did nothing and permitted this prejudicial comment to be given to the jury.

What does that tell us? It tells us that House does not care about fairness in his courtroom. He wants a conviction, period, and he will do whatever it takes to help his good friends.

I would like to ask the good people of Northwest Georgia if they want people like this charging other people with crimes, if they want prosecutors that hide evidence or engage in illegal schemes with a judge to try to "win at all costs" without ANY care at all to whether or not the accused even is guilty. If you are satisfied with this kind of conduct, I only can hope that you will not find yourself in a courtroom with these three people having control over how you will spend the rest of your life.

Prosecutors are not supposed to be "playing lawyer" as though there were a game going on in the courtroom. They are expressly told to "seek justice," not engage in tricks in order to deceive the jury into thinking that the defendant is guilty when, in fact, they either know or strongly suspect otherwise. People like that should never be allowed to be prosecutors.

This trial is a disgrace, and the only satisfactory remedy will be the disbarment of Brian House, Len Gregor, and Chris Arnt. Nothing less will suffice.

[End Update]

If anything, we have received quite an education in this trial. We have learned that when men like Brian House, Chris Arnt, and Len Gregor run court proceedings, the result is a stain upon every decent jurist who has lived.

We also have learned that when it comes to "expert" witnesses, the prosecutors and courts of the Lookout Mountain Judicial District will accept prosecution witnesses that are unqualified and, frankly, dishonest. We also have found that there is a symbiotic relationship between the prosecutors and the "witnesses" who give the damning testimony.

On the other side, we found that the defense actually produce witnesses who have made their mark in these forensic fields. Thus, I believe it is worthwhile to compare both sets of witnesses so that readers can determine who is more credible. However, the way I will do it is simple and to the point, and I think will demonstrate what is happening in this "battle of the experts."

The blogger Kerwyn lays out the following scenario:

What is this situation were reversed. What if Dr. Hazzard, Dr. Aldridge, Dr. Bernet, and Dr. Fajman had been witnesses for the prosecution? Assume that each person had examined the children, engaged in examinations and conversations with the children and others, and each concluded that they believed Tonya Craft had sexually assaulted them.

To further lay out this scenario, assume that the "experts" for the defense consisted of Sharon Anderson, Stacy Long, Laurie Evans, and, of course, Suzi Thorne. Furthermore, let us assume that the witnesses for the prosecution all testified with great dignity, were attentive and respectful to all of the attorneys, both for the prosecution and the defense.

On the other hand, the "experts" for Tonya shrugged their shoulders, giggled, rolled their eyes, gave sarcastic replies, declared "I don't remember" or "I don't recall" or suddenly declared things that had not been entered into evidence or were in anyone's notes.

Which set of witnesses would be more convincing to the court? In fact, if this were the situation, how long would a jury take to convict Ms. Craft? Five minutes? Fifteen minutes, allowing for a bathroom break? It would be no contest at all.

Yet, what we have is a situation in which the hypothetical defense witnesses ARE what the prosecution has offered up, and some of them have committed perjury, and all of them have acted in a way that most judges would not permit in their courtroom. On the other hand, the four main expert witnesses for Tonya Craft are well-known in their fields, and the testimony of one, Dr. Aldridge, was cited in a Georgia Supreme Court decision as being so authoritative (she was testifying for the prosecution in that case) that the court denied the appeal motion for the person convicted because of her testimony.

However, even with people of this kind of stature presenting testimony in the courtroom of Brian House, the prosecution STILL insists that Drs. Aldridge, Bernet, Fajman, and Hazzard are not telling the truth, are not credible witnesses, and that the CREDIBLE witnesses are people who have exhibited the following:
  • Not one of them knows anything about the current literature on interviewing children and dealing with cases like this;
  • All of them were sarcastic to the defense, rolling their eyes, making noises, laughing, and shrugging their shoulders;
  • They offered "new evidence" from the stand, despite the fact that what they were claiming was not in any of their notes and much of it, even if "true," fell into the hearsay category;
  • None of them demonstrated any familiarity with the kinds of interviewing techniques that now are standard in cases like this.
We are not just seeing bad or poorly-trained witnesses. No, what we are seeing is fraud, pure and simple. We are dealing with lies, and lots of them.

What is even more tragic is that these very same people have been testifying in other cases in the LMJD in which people who most likely are innocent have been convicted and sent to prison by juries that had no idea that these witnesses are criminally incompetent and are willing to commit perjury on the witness stand.

If any good comes out of this sham trial, I hope that the outright dishonesty and crookedness of the "investigators" from the Children's Advocacy Centers in Fort Oglethorpe and Dalton will be exposed. What these people have done is so wicked, and so dishonest, that no punishment is draconian enough for them and anyone associated with the CAC in those places. They have ruined countless lives through their lying and false testimony, and one hopes there will be a Day of Reckoning that they will face.

193 comments:

Anonymous said...

Dennis Norwood, who is also covering this trial from chattanoogan.com, does a live segment every morning on WGOW 102.3 at 7:10. He continues to tell it like it is! If you haven't listened in and live in the Chattanooga area, give it a listen.

Lookout Spy said...

The most potent visual image I can come up with that fits the scenario: The toppling of the statue of Saddam Hussein after the fall of Iraq.

The most potent word that fits: Hubris. The fatal flaw of arrogance.

Anonymous said...

Amen, Amen, Amen!!!!! This is what I have been saying for over four years, these people are not honest and they don't care what they do to get a conviction!!! In our case, the state medical examiner stepped in before the case could get to trial. However, much damage has been caused by what they did and our family is still suffering because of it. Rational minds need to be the case when dealing with any accusations regarding possible abuse or in the death of a child. Too quickly conclusions are jumped to and then it snowballs out of control from there. Those being accused, think if they cooperate and tell the truth, then all will be well. Not the case in this district, they don't want the truth, they just want convictions and don't care who they run over to get them. Tonya, we were fortunate, that my son's case didn't make it to trial, but I am glad you didn't back down and continue to fight,with great courage!! Because of you and your strength and your defense team, and people like Bill Anderson making it public, maybe this crooked judicial system will finally go down in flames!!!

Anonymous said...

Yes Spy, the term "hubris" definitely comes to mind!

Dan said...

A vindictive rumor mill started this travesty.

The greedy "support system" of CAC, GreenHouse, Sheriff and Investigators, which was born and blossomed under the corruption in that entire area of Georgia, rubber-stamped it.

Then the prosecutorial machine clicked into high gear, inventing evidence to fill "gaps", while the judicial puts a thumb on the scale.

That is what happened; it has happened before there; until one brave woman stood up and said NO.

Dr. Anderson is right - this entire machine must be dismantled.

Lookout Spy said...

The sad thing, Dan, is Mr Anderson is totally correct, there are lots of innocent lives that have been damaged. I myself know a victim of the LMJD machine.

Dan said...

Lookout, yes, I cannot imagine that bitter pill. I can hope that this illumination will lead to some justice for all that have been processed through the LMJD horror machine.

Anonymous said...

Wonder what's inside of PANDORA'S BOX?????

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Kerwyn said...

Anon,

"The state medical examiner stepped in"

What pisses me off the most about this trial is, once again, it puts my profession in the limelight and not in a good way. I work with healthcare providers of every kind and, thank God, I have NEVER had to see this in person. Sad in a way, if I had been in person on this case, seen my co workers lack of credentials and seen them do this, I would have flown to NY and camped on CNN's doorstep, screaming to the high heavens.

Don't lose faith, MOST of us care about the truth, about facts and about the lives we impact.

Anonymous said...

Kerwyn, I applaud your passion and your professionalism, sadly lacking in Catoosa Co.

Kerwyn said...

Damn look like Lookout Mountain is losing another judge to impropriety!

Funny they have this line in the story

Clayton attorney Richard Tunkle represented Cornwell, and yet he continued to rule on cases in which Tunkle was involved. Under the disqualification rules of the Code of Judicial Conduct: "Judges should disclose on the record information that the court believes the parties or their lawyers might consider relevant to the question of disqualification, even if they truly believe there is no legal basis for disqualification.

ahahaha....

http://www.thenortheastgeorgian.com/articles/2010/04/23/news/top_stories/02topstory.txt

dmk said...

Somewhat off topic, but very timely since it involves the Lookout Mtn. Judicial Circuit.

Per the AJC, Judge Kristina Cook Connelly Graham, a high-profile Superior Court judge based in Summerville, will receive a public reprimand next week, the state Judicial Qualifications Commission announced Wednesday.

http://www.ajc.com/news/superior-court-judge-faces-521166.html

Granted, the Director of the Georgia Bureau of Investigation is the one who filed the complaint and he obviously someone like that has some juice, but balancing that out is the fact that the Judge is Bobby Lee Cook's daughter and has been on the bench in the LMJC for a long time.

News of this couldn't have come at a better time, it just adds to the fire about the LMJC and will help draw attention and further investigation.

dmk said...

Kerwyn,

That's the Mountain Judicial District, not the same as the Lookout Mtn Judicial District. Different corners of north Georgia.

Lookout Spy said...

They had another judge resign in the Mountain Circuit less than 6 months ago who was facing a JQC investigation for stealing public property, misappropriating funds, and failing to follow the law in making his rulings. Sounds like the JQC is starting to get the message, let's hope they can generate funds to do more and more consistent work .

Kerwyn said...

WOW just wow..

calliestarnes

David says accuser 1 and 2 didn't spend the night after the Halloween party, night some alleged abuse supposedly took place. #TonyaCraft

So the little darlings memory of the "bath" or was it the Kitchen (depends when you ask her) was false IF David Craft can prove this.

Jason S said...

“If you can railroad a bad man to prison,” says Cook, “you can railroad a good man. That’s why we should always vigorously fight for the constitutional rights of even those who are most despised in our communities.” Bobby Lee Cook

Kerwyn said...

@DMK

Well darn BUT he did something similar to House ie representing Henke and then not recusing himself.

Anonymous said...

Bobby Lee Cook is a crook and only cares about the $$$$. He took my case in the 80's and screwed me. He didn't do his job and then paid another junior attorney in another city to stand in for him. I was convinced to plead guilty to a count that I didn't even do just to keep from going away for a long, long time. Had I had the big gun (that I had paid handsomely for) I could have had a better chance at justice.
Thanks Bobby Lee Crook.

Michael McNutt said...

Mr Anderson,

I have written several times over the years to you about the different issues you have covered. I have both enjoyed the way you cover the stories and break down the facts so even people like me with little understanding of courts and law can see how police and lawyers that are self serving get away with breaking the law they are sworn to uphold. But I must say, your work on Ms. Craft's case is I think the best you have ever done, even better than the Duke case. You REALLY should do a book on this case, REALLY. It has all the problems with police and courts that you have brought up time after time. Win or lose I believe you when you say you'll not rest till these guys are disbarred. I pray that you are successful in that goal, because even if they lose this case, this county has no place for clowns like this to be charge of anything, much less our courts. Thank you once again for all your hard work!

William L. Anderson said...

Thanks, Michael. We shall see. Books are tough propositions. I once was contacted by a publisher to write a book on outsourcing. I did, and when I finished, they changed editors at the top, and suddenly my "wonderful" book was crap.

I had to fight just to get a $1,000 kill fee (they owed me more, but it was a "so sue us" proposition).

As for Bobby Lee Cook, his daughter is not exactly a picture of virtue and honesty.

Heather O. said...

This morning while catching up on what all has been going on in the trial and tending to my daily tasks, I happened across a statement from a supporter on www.truthfortonya.com. This woman, says that she has been through FOUR years of hell over these SAME people falsely accusing her son. Now, I can only guess whether "these same people" refers to the 3 families, the CAC in Ft. O and Dalton, or the crooked judicial system of Catoosa County/LMJC. But, it does seem to me that no matter who it refers to, if these folks keep falsely accusing innocent people of child molestation and are so obsessed with their children or residents having experienced such scarring events that maybe the false accusers should either be court ordered into psychiatric treatment or arrested for gross misuse of the justice system. Maybe, they should be investigated as the actual perpetrators of these crimes? I mean, what more perfect way to cover up your own sick perversion than by convicting someone else for it and convincing your child it wasn't you they saw there but this "monstrous" person?

Anyway, as if Team HAG hasn't already made themselves look like total asshats in front of the entire nation, I would think they would mind their manners in court today to keep from adding the description of "abusive bullies" to their list of (hahahahaha, sorry) "credentials".

Anonymous said...

Kerwyn,
I don't think it's all that important that David Craft be able to prove they weren't there overnight. The important thing is that his testimony on this is not disproved.

Anonymous said...

Anon @11:04, that would normally be true in a real court of law, but as we have seen, the prosecution has changed the rules on us--they don't have to prove Tonya's guilty, but she has to prove she's innocent. I would say they will apply that "rule" to David Craft as well; he'll have to prove the kids weren't there the night in question.

Anonymous said...

fyi..kristen bradley had a meeting at school with employees stating that she stayed in courtroom after her testimony to support all the teachers. 2. Child actress talent show rehearsal- school worker said it was inappropriate as she was shaking everything she has. 3. Mrs kyfas who testified for prosecution was driving child actress and her friend around in golf cart yesterday.

Anonymous said...

Heather, not the families in Chickamauga and not a molestation case, but falsely accused in the death of a child and persecuted by the DA and his crooks, CAC included, who told lies to get an indictment and would have succeeded in a trial, had not the State Medical Examiner of Ga. and our medical expert find that the local examiners findings were completely wrong. The charges were dropped, but the damage to the family immense. They spent a small fortune in legal fees and even though that part is over, are battling to get their son's visitation back with his children from his first marriage. The children's mother, who totally supported him in the beginning, remarried and she and her husband are engaging in parental alienation, but even though she is in contempt of court and engaging in parental alienation, they can't get any of the judges to hear the case. The charges were dropped in Aug. 09 and nine months later, he still doesn't have his children in his life.

Kerwyn said...

I have been messaged by a mother who has a daughter who knows accuser 1.

Daughter has been bragging to friends about how her and her mom are getting even with Ms. Craft.

Sadly, these folks are so scared of the Lamb/Wilson group they won't come forward.

Makes my teeth hurt from grinding them in frustration.

If ONE only ONE came forward it would end this travesty in a heartbeat.

Anonymous said...

Kerwyn I tried to find the facebook page for accuser#1. I could not find her on there. Help if you can.

Anonymous said...

yes it is there, named is spelled different, ae instead of ea.

Anonymous said...

If someone did come forward (mother of friend or friend) it would not be allowed in the court. Rmemeber OutHouse's rules? It would be hear-say. But I agree, they should not keep it quiet.

All the people involved with the prosecution should be under close eye by the public, not now but in many days to come.

BULLDOG FOR TONYA said...

My crystal ball says that this will be hung jury. the prosecution ringer can't find her innocent and the one juror who wants to sleep peacefully at night can not convict her. the ball also says that before Jan 1 2011 House Arnt and Gregor will not hold their current positions. either by removal, resignation or suspension. Americans have this thing about equal justice under the law and men rebel when their sense of justice is violated.

Anonymous said...

A smart man once said "Revenge is best served cold." So, although Tonya is going through hell, and her children are away from her....we must stay patient and know that our Lord is in control. If accuser #1 is already talking, she will continue and it will all fall into place exactly when and how it is suppose to. tplas

Cyril said...

Bill,

The age of on-demand printing has changed publishing forever. We're no longer at the mercy of publishers who might ignore or even kill our work, especially if we've done something that we know there's some market for. You might know this, but it is possible to print a book at NO COST and even have it listed on Amazon. Have you checked out www.lulu.com?

And yes, I did hear your challenge to us Presbyterian pastors to take a stand on this. I've been on jury duty this week in Judge Williams court (how ironic!) and if I can get my end-of-semester grading done, I'll be posting about this on my blog as well.

I wouldn't hold your breath on the President of Covenant getting involved. He's a great guy, but there is about zero connection between Covenant and Catoosa county affairs. It might as well be Atlanta. And with no formal pre-law program, there's no point of contact. But take heart, you've stirred up and educated plenty of people in Catoosa, Walker and the nation!

Anonymous said...

My niece told me a similar story about accuser #1 and some things she had said. The only problem was the comments were told to another little girl and then relayed to my niece. The other child's parents do not want to get involved. A friend who works in law enforcement said that if we were to talk to someone about this it would be considered hear-say. So what do you do??? My family believes Tonya is innocent. She was not my child's teacher but we did interact with her during school functions. I am sorry to say that people are afraid to speak up because of what would happen to them or their children.Mrs. Bradley is a wonderful principal and has always helped in anyway she could for our family. Has anyone ever thought that she may be afraid of what might happen to her if she ever went against the Lambs or Wilsons.

Anonymous said...

And let me add, I don't necessary mean "revenge"...in this case , just the truth and what their consquenses will be when it's all said and done.

and Presbyterian PASTOR...what about the simple connection of Christians, holding a brother accountable? tpla

Kerwyn said...
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Kerwyn said...

I must edit my above post as I read the short hand twitter incorrectly.

David Craft was NOT told before his marriage to Tonya. He was told in a phone conversation by Lamb that it had been going on since BEFORE his marriage to Tonya.

God I hate it when I am wrong.......

sniffs

Anonymous said...

Kerwyn did he mean that Lamb later told him that it happened before they met? Or that after their seperation Lamb THEN told him it was before they met/married?

Dan said...

It's difficult to read between the twitter lines. This "revelation" was during phone calls between Lamb and David during his separation. Probably an attempt to win David to the dark side. Buy you are still correct, it is a telling event.

Kerwyn said...

Anon, I got it all wrong *sniffs*

Lamb told him in a phone call in may of 2008 that the abuse had been going on since before they were married. I had the reporter shoot me the actual answer.

hence why I deleted my post as being so wrong as to be embarrassing

Anonymous said...

Calli Starnes tweeted that David testifies that accuser one's mom told him in phone conversation that Tonya had molested her daughter even before they met.

Well why on earth would you fix your friend (David) up with someone who supposedly had already molested your daughter? And have their weddings at your house, etc....
And why on earth would you let your child continue to be around this person if it had supposedly already happened before they met.

I mean give me a break! Where do their lies stop?

Lastly, I admire David as a person because you know he knew what they were in for ahead of them when he got back with Tonya.
That just shoes not only how much he loves her, but also how much he BELIEVES IN HER.

Anonymous said...

Kerwyn -

Not too far off though...

"David says the mother of alleged victim #1 would talk to him on the phone after he separated from Tonya for a brief time. They were all still friends at the time, and David says the mother told him that Tonya had touched her daughter even before he met Tonya. These conversations with the mother happened before the allegations came out against Tonya."

Anonymous said...

Kerwyn, you are not too far off. The last line of this quote from catwalkchatt.com says it all.

"David says the mother of alleged victim #1 would talk to him on the phone after he separated from Tonya for a brief time. They were all still friends at the time, and David says the mother told him that Tonya had touched her daughter even before he met Tonya. These conversations with the mother happened before the allegations came out against Tonya."

Anonymous said...

12:37, that was what I was wondering, why would you introduce them, go out with them, attend their wedding, let your daughter continue to go to their house etc. if the abuse was happening prior to David and Tonya meeting???

Kerwyn said...

Sorry folks,

*hangs head* I was WAY wrong on that. I apologize to my fellow bloggers.

Anonymous said...

nah...you've left some great posts kerwyn...plus you're my only twitter follower. lol

dmk said...

I have struggled throughout this whole thing to figure out what was really behind all of this, it just seemed too over the top to just be a drama-filled little tiff. But, from where I sit, I've come to the conclusion that it's the perfect storm of small minds at work in a small town.

Mom of Accuser #1 - Thinks she is something, loves the drama, living vicariously through her kid, and has raised her kid to be the same way. Lo and behold, her little kid who knows way too much for her years (wonder how?), turns out to be sexually curious a little earlier than expected too. Explores that curiosity and "GASP!! What will people think if they hear she masturbates, even worse what will they say if they find out she did in with another girl!! A LESBIAN, we'll be ruined!!!! No way a good church-going prominent family like us can have a daughter that did that on her own, it's just not normal, at not least to my little ignorant closed mind. It had to be someone else's fault. Hmmmm, Tonya, that bitch pissed me off anyway, must have been her or her daughter."

Mom Accuser #2 - Not sure, they don't seem to be a major player, just along for the ride I think maybe hoping they could snuggle in tighter with the queen bees.

Accuser #3 - Nasty divorce, child support, new wife, etc. Need I say more.

Supporting cast The Wilsons - thrive on keeping the hive buzzing along with #1, it's what they live for.

All Tonya Craft is guilty of is being a poor judge of some of those she allowed in her personal life and choosing to live in the wrong place where typical small town drama was allowed and encouraged to turn into a national embarrassment with someone's freedom hanging in the balance.

Get those four coming together and the environment is ripe. Add in Louse/Face/The Man/Dirty Deal all looking to put another notch on their belts and get their faces in the paper, then stir in uneducated and incompetent interviewers + the Bible Belt's public hate/ private fascination with anything sexual, and boom, recipe for disaster and here we are.

Kerwyn said...

Interesting Timeline that I think says volumes. (I PROMISE I checked my data this time!)

April 1 2008 that Hencke calls Sandra Lamb, Wilson, and other accusers parents to tell her about Tonya's accusations re: his wife and Tonya's daughter. (his testimony and his phone records)
April 3 Tonya files DFCS report against Sarah Bass Henke
April Slumber Party (lamb attended)
April Movie Party (lamb attended)
May 18 Lamb Calls DFCS
May 23 Pool party (infamous chalk writing)
May 27, 2008: Lamb interviewed twice by CAC counselor Stacy Long
May 29 Lamb interviewed by Deal
June 4, 2008:Lamb interviewed at Green House in Dalton, GA, by Suzie Thorne. This is her 4th interview.
April 1, 2009: Lamb does 5th interview, Ft Oglethorpe CAC by Holly Kittle

Anonymous said...

dmk, I agree with the your 1st sentence...THere has got to be something else to this whole saga that we just don't know about. It doesn't make sense. I think you are dead on with the Mom of accuser 1, and Tonya's dtr...but the McDonalds and the Wilsons? Where do they tie in? What are we missing???? There must be something else....maybe Tonya will clarify when she testifies??? tplas

Kerwyn said...

Excellent recap of today's testimony so far

http://www.chattanoogan.com/articles/article_175066.asp

Kerwyn said...

The Wilsons are best friends with Accuser #1's parents (Lamb). The Allegations arose as Tonya was refusing to pass their daughter to 1st grade.

dmk said...

Great summary timeline, I wonder if the jury will be that logical about things though in deliberations? From my limited experience, scary as it is, it's more a matter of arguing your side based on kind of the running tally you kept throughout the trial and general impressions.

I wasn't expecting a whole lot from David Craft's testimony, just a basic "I didn't see anything". But, it sounds like he may be the Defense's secret weapon - comes off as a straight shooter, admits he made mistakes, hard worker, likes to fish, and is male. Not to be sexist or that I agree with it, but given what we've heard about the makeup of the jury, I'm not so sure those things won't carry a A LOT of weight since the jury can relate to him as a person like them and are ready to hear what really happened from someone other than a bunch of catty local gossips and busybodies.

If I'm right, and he handles cross examination well, put a fork in'em, they're done.

Lookout Spy said...

The State has already rested their case. They have NOT proved Tonya Craft guilty of anything, the only thing that has been proven is we have a cast of incompetent fools, liars, perjurers, and bumpkins, led by a coward named "Turtle Franklin".

Anonymous said...

I liked David's testimoney as well. Very down to earth, a real person rather than 4 experts that have waaaaay more knowledge than me! I do understand the Wilson's are involved because Tonya tried holding their dtr back...but people don't do things like THIS because of that reason alone. Well, normal people. Maybe that's the BIG difference! ha! I have a best friend that I would DIE for, but never would I lie for her to the extent of someone's LIFE! Over 400 yrs in prison???

Kerwyn said...

I wonder if Sandra Lamb understands that her daughter's acting career is over. I don't know of any director that would (when there are hundreds of young hopefuls available) have this child around.

God forbid they pissed her off somehow...

dmk said...

calliestarnes Gregor using a soft voice, asking David not to take offense to ?'s before he asks them.

Probably because David Craft has the look of one of those guys who thinks a summer spent picking up trash in a striped suit out on the highway is well worth the satisfaction of kicking this smug, arrogant, lying SOB's weenie ass for insulting his wife.

Kerwyn said...

Gregor is trying desperately to put words in D Crafts mouth. Mr. Craft taking him on toe to toe.

YOU GO Mr. Craft!

Anonymous said...

That is exactly as I said from the beginning. Don't forget that Det. Keith's daughter and wife are BIG friends with the Lamb's. The girls attend the same school. I am sure they were befriended by S. Lamb for her personal gain in this trial. House was recently elected as judge which needed BIG financial support. Now you have the rest of the story.

Kellie Graham said...

It appears there is a intricately tangled network of friendships between all the accusing parties involved which has become quite significant in this case of small town politics.

Anonymous said...

You are right, normal people don't do that. This is what has separated so many people on this issue. Most people I speak with, are in fact, "normal". I have had friendships with people like the Wilsons & Lambs before and as soon as I stepped away from them, I realized what was going on & how they were not only using me, but everyone around them. They are the type of people who are incapable of multiple friendships. In other words, they feed simply off of each other & occasionally one or the other will form a friendship with an "outsider" so to speak. This will only fair well for a short period of time. The other one begins feeling left out & instead of including themselves into the functions & events, they do everything to discredit "the outsider" & reclaim their friendship. I have seen this taken to great lengths by people who simply believe they are greater than others around them. By greater, I mean larger, better than, superior. Sadly, Kelli McDonald is just a tool in all of this. The way I see it is, she allowed herself to fall victim to the predators, so for that, I am sad for her, but do not feel sorry for her. Henke is the key. He was in major arrears for child support. As a real estate agent (not a particularly good one at that), he could not pay his child support. Everyone was tired of bailing him out & when Tonya realized that her daughter was being treated inappropriately by the step-mother, she filed a complaint with DFACS. After this, Henke talked with his old "friend" Sandra Lamb. This is where it all began.

I am sorry that a lot of people can't see that there are evil & vengeful people out there, because they are there. You may be friends with someone right now who would sell you down the river for a sandwich. If these people didn't exist, we would have no prisons to fill. Also, if you look at the child actress' resume you will find something interesting. Take note that the mother has put on there that she will not do a project without compensation. Most serious actors & actresses do work for no pay. A lot of times, that's how they get started in the business.

All it took was a small, very small group of narcissists for this to happen. Notice there have been no other children who have accused, in fact, it is the opposite.

I went into this trial with an open mind & truly kept one until there was no evidence. Zero, nada, zilch.

Heather O. said...

So; in accordance with Team HAG's profiling of a child molester, if one drinks alcohol; is married more than 1 time, wears shorts to mow, is not around his/her spouse 24/7 or is ever around children, he or she is a child molester. Get ready folks, the over crowding in prisons is about to get a lot worse...and it just might surprise you who'll be there if held to these standards. Might be interesting to observe House @ one of his Elks Lodge "meetings" or his condition when leaving one...Just saying.

Anonymous said...

As Tonya prepares to take the stand, I ask that everyone reading these blogs take a minute and unite with me in a prayer to God as you know Him...

Lord, you above all know the truth. You know our hearts are broken for this lady who sits in a courtroom being judged by men and women who do not know everything as you do. Lord please open their eyes to all the truths in this case, and embed into their hearts the sense of right that You know is true.
Lord, You have told us through Your word that where two or more are gathered in Your name, there You will be also. We unite together in this prayer that You will put a hedge of Your protection over the innocent parties, and grant them the peace of The Holy Spirit. We know that You will hold accountable any who lie or deceive in this case and in all of life. We put our trust in You, and ask for the truth to come out in this case.
Lord, we further ask you to be with all parties of this case. That they will seek only the truth, and will follow Your will in passing judgement.

Most of all Lord, be with Tonya, as she prepares to take the stand, to bare her life to the world, that she will have the strength to stand tall, speak the truths of these accusations, and know that Your plan for her is not complete, that it is just beginning.
Be with all of us, Your children, and bless us with all the things that Your will allows.
In Your Son Jesus' Holy Name, we ask all of these things.
Amen

dmk said...

Anon @ 2:01 EXCELLENT POST, very true and provides more of the background story. Thanks for sharing.

Anonymous said...

Amen

Anonymous said...

Anon 2:02

Thank you for that wonderful prayer.
I concur Father in the name of Jesus Christ, Amen

Anonymous said...

I was in the Elks lub for a while, many leave quite snocker so t speak. But if is an Elk, he has also violated his oaths there as well.Truth, Honor and Integrity.

Anonymous said...

Anon 2:02

Wonderful prayer!!
AMEN

Anonymous said...

Amen Thank you for that prayer-

Anonymous said...

Amen!

KeepingItReal said...

Amen

Anonymous said...

dmk, you are welcome. I truly believe all of this will come in timeline form in closing arguments. When people speak the truth, there is a timeline. When people lie, there isn't. This is why the prosecution, at no time, has put together a timeline & the reason for the dates being so widespread on the charges. It will all come to the light at the end of this fiasco & even the people who have believed she is guilty, will not be able to truly, in all of their hearts & minds, believe that any longer.

The only thing Tonya is guilty of is poor judgement in picking relationships (friendships & men). I know many people who have also, including myself. In fact, there would be a great deal of us not here today if it weren't for poor judgement. If everyone would stop & think for just a minute, they would also see this.

That was a beautiful prayer & believe God hears us & has heard us daily. If the jury fails to acquit, it will not be due to God not trying to intervene with the evil going on inside & outside that courtroom. In time, everything will be made right.

Truth For Tonya!!! I will never let this go. Never.

Anonymous said...

Can you imagine how hard it is going to be to get any kind of conviction in this circuit after this trial. All who are reading this blog who live in this area are possible jurist. And if we find ourself on a jury we are going to be asking is the prosecution being honest. This damages our local courts for years! Fewer defendants will plea bargain after this farce more will seek a trial.

On a side note, I see 4 elected officials that will be in trouble when their election cycle rolls around.

Anonymous said...

Anon 1:38

I love that comment about David. I have said many times that Gregor is a coward that likes to bully women. A "real man" on the other hand is a different story.

I've gone on record saying that this worthless piece of humanity needs a good ole fashion country ass whupping and I'm sure David would love to be the one to do it.

But . . . he's restrained and cool in his truthful testimony

Anonymous said...

Anon 2:24, this is why Tonya went out of our jurisdiction to get help. Because of my background with Ken Poston, I believe anyone he defends as guilty. Tonya knew this (not as in my story, but in general) and knew the way things worked around here. I believe God gave her the courage & ability to step out & do whatever it took, not only to help herself, but to help all of the other who have gone before her & all of the people who will need this in the future. Firm believer in everything happens for a reason.

Anonymous said...

Anon 2:24, this is why Tonya went out of our jurisdiction to get help. Because of my background with Ken Poston, I believe anyone he defends as guilty. Tonya knew this (not as in my story, but in general) and knew the way things worked around here. I believe God gave her the courage & ability to step out & do whatever it took, not only to help herself, but to help all of the other who have gone before her & all of the people who will need this in the future. Firm believer in everything happens for a reason.

dmk said...

Anon @ 2:24 Four elected officials? House and Franklin are two, but we don't get to vote against Arnt and Gregor unfortunately. As Assistant District Attorneys, , they are just hired help. But, send District Attorney Herbert "Buzz" Franklin, who this case has revealed to be the biggest, spineless, self-serving coward in northwest Georgia packing, and even if Arnt and Gregor make it that long, they will be gone before their new boss gets his butt settled in Franklin's chair for the first time after the election.

dmk said...

Anon @ 2:24

Tonya going outside of here is a big part in this, I agree. But, my belief is God helps those who help themselves using the gifts he gave them, and the more gifts he gave you, the more he expects from you.

Unfortunately for most in this area, they just don't have the ability or resources to do what Tonya did. In my small circle of friends and co-workers, I have several co-workers that were born and raised here and even in late middle age will freely admit they have never been more than 2 hours drive from home their whole life.

Folks like that just aren't going to research the internet for the best attorneys out there and then fly to Detroit to present their story to them.

It's up to us who are fortunate enough to have those abilities and resources to help those that don't, and that means cleaning out the LMJC.

Anonymous said...

Anon 2:24 is right, Im up for jury duty in a few weeks and Im having serious reservations about it now.

William L. Anderson said...

to 2:49

Remember that prosecutors often cut corners and lie, and suborn perjury. Now they don't do it all the time and there are decent, honest people in that line of work. (And there also are decent, honest prostitutes, I guess.)

But, remember this line from William Blackstone, who was the man most responsible for modern law and the Rights of Englishmen:
"Better that 20 guilty men go free than one innocent man convicted."

Prosecutors want you to believe that it is better that 20 innocent people be convicted than one guilty person to go free.

Kerwyn said...

Anon, don't.

we need ALL the honorable, honest people we can get to sit on juries in order to curtail men like these.

It is the ONLY way our justice system will work.

Anonymous said...

Another good post in the Chattanoogan:

http://www.chattanoogan.com/articles/article_175066.asp

Anonymous said...

Two officials were named above.


The other two elected officails are
Phil Summers it is his detective that went along with this crap.
Dewayne Wilson / Walker County Coroner /
his wife is wrapped up in this

and for good measure throw in Jeff Mullis since he contributed to House campaign. So I guess you could say there or 5 in trouble.

Anonymous said...

Damn, House has ruled at least twice today for the defense.

Scott King objects to Gregor asking ?'s about depo in regards to what others felt. Judge House sustains the objection.

What brought that on?

Anonymous said...

Anon 3:05

Summers is up to his eyeballs in this case. Anyone that knows him, knows he runs that dept and loves the limelight. Vote him OUT!

Harmony said...

http://www.facebook.com/#!/event.php?eid=120407137978110

This is the link for the Fundraising Picnic for Tonya. Please mark if you are going to attend and write on the wall what you can bring. If you plan on attending!! THANKS!!

Anonymous said...

@3:06

The fact that it looks good and these are minor, crap objections to stuff not central to the case. Don't worry, if King or Lorandos object to something serious it will be quickly overruled.

Anonymous said...

anon, please do not let this or my opinion change your idea of jury duty. Hopefully it will do the opposite & help you go in with open eyes and ears & do not take it lightly. :-)

libertewoods said...

I am not surprised that our legal system produces this kind of heinous injustice. Individuals in this system can obviously choose to remain honest and courageous and act according to reason and the facts, or not. But the nature of the system encourages people to give vent to their darkest feelings that usually destroys innocent people in the name of justice.

We have enshrined theft in the law and call it taxation. We claim to be political equals yet we allow those of us who are politicians to steal from the rest of us to pay their salaries and those of every government bureaucrat. If you doubt that taxation is theft, when did you explicitly and freely make an agreement with your federal state and local governments to pay them however much they wanted from you? How could you even if you wanted? The tax laws prohibit a consensual relationship between each of us and the local, state and federal governments. All we are legally allowed to do is to
cast one vote toward who will will be our masters. And if we play the game right and have a yen for political power we can become one of those masters.

If our legal system is inherently corrupt because it generates its income by theft, why should we be surprised at the wide spread corruption in the execution of our legal system that supposedly holds theft to be a fundamental crime?

Anonymous said...

David:"Its horrible we are here" Gregor:"I think so too, I don't get paid by the child molester. I could be back in my office right now."

Greggor's comment is definitely the sentiments of a narcissist. It's callous, self-serving, and belittling; not to mention, he forgot to use the word "alleged."

Heather O. said...

Sorry, I had to go pick up the kids and wasn't present for the prayer. Though, ironically, while sitting in the school line I was praying for her, as well. Thank you for that beautiful offering of prayer. I DO have faith that God will not let His children be accused falsely and convicted of such evil atrocities. My mouth and attitude may not reflect my faith a lot of times, but it's there...and very firmly so.

This same faith tells me that Team HAG will pay for this mockery and attempted lynching for ego's sake.

Additionally, Anon @ 2:08, I have nothing at all against the Elks. Please don't take my comment offensively. I know they do good in our communities. I have just been witness to several of their LMJC members condition after hanging out there in the evenings and am well aware that few of them leave without having had at least a couple of drinks. The very activity for which some of their friends and members are trying to get a guilty verdict on an innocent woman on trial for charges of child molestation. Makes me want to throw up.

dmk said...

Tonya is on the stand, here we go. Wonder if we'll get to see Face or The Man demonstrate for us the aimlessly lashing out death struggles of a drowning man surrounded by sharks with blood already in the water?

You are about to see the final act in career suicide, and it ain't going to be pretty.

Anonymous said...

Tonya has taken the stand in her defense... Lord please bless this lady, and let the truth finally be heard from her mouth.

Kellie Graham said...

Prayers for Tonya, she got guts!!

Anonymous said...

Does anyone know if there are any other witnesses after Tonya? If not, will the trial be over this week?

William L. Anderson said...

To the 3:42, the prosecution can bring on more witnesses, and I am sure that they will try to engage in more character assassination.

These prosecutors are animals.

Kerwyn said...

Wow just wow,. NO JUDGE in their right minds would EVER make a comment like that.

I am just stunned.

House to defense on the second question they ask Ms. Craft which was to had she been told about any questions she was not to answer was..

"you are playing to the media and to the jury".

THE JUDGE said this incredibly prejudicial comment. Dear god.

Anonymous said...

narcissism |ˈnärsəˌsizəm|
noun
excessive or erotic interest in oneself and one's physical appearance.
• Psychology extreme selfishness, with a grandiose view of one's own talents and a craving for admiration, as characterizing a personality type.

What is the big deal about this? I have heard it until I'm sick of it.
I don't see child molester in this definition anywhere.

The only people in this entire case that this definition fits is the DouceBag duo and the judge. It couldn't be clearer to an independent, impartial, out of state observer.

Anonymous said...

How David Craft ket from decking the presectutor is beyond me! He is stronger than myself..

Anonymous said...

I have a feeling that the current Mrs. Henke is going to "relate" to Tonya's testimony today. I bet she starts thinking in her head, uh oh...I bet she IS telling the truth.

Anonymous said...

Praying for Tonya every second!!!

Anonymous said...

4:09, the current Mrs. Henke is a naive childish woman. In fact, I just had a really hard time calling her a woman. She has extremely bad faults of her own. Both she & Joal have tried to convince everyone that they are living in Christ now, but the fact they are the ember that started this fire, God is not too happy with them. She will not see the error of her ways unless she gets away from Joal.

Anonymous said...

Joal Henke-Panky should be his name..LOL

William L. Anderson said...

LOL, indeed!!

Anonymous said...

He's a slime ball. At a real estate closing with me, he had a hard time keeping his eyes off of my prizes. He made a very poor attempt to hit on me. I shot him down. I was not flattered. He is the typical sleezy salesman. Luckily I was past the stage in my life where it would have flattered me, which means I was over 16.

KC Sprayberry said...

Okay. Just listened to the first minutes of Tonya's testimony, until the prosecutors and judge took the argument to chambers. As everyone was moving around, Arnt and Gregor said something that was picked up on the microphone. I could only get part of it. Sounded like, 'jury (unintelligible) me. It's a tough call.

Are these animals worried? Are they trying to elongate Tonya's testimony, by breaking it up with these ridiculous chambers meetings, to get back the jury's sympathy? Do they now know they can't put the cat back into the bag? I sure hope so.

The video I watched is on catwalkchatt.com If anyone else heard it, or was close enough in the courtroom to hear these men whispering, please let us know what they said.

dmk said...

Maybe they are trying to figure out which one of them is least hated by the jury and therefore should do the cross since this is a pivotal moment?

Also, I may be been wrong on my earlier post, tweets indicate now it was accuser #2 who was one of the two kids in the mutual exploration session? Not that it matters a whole lot, same issues apply as to motivation of mothers.

Heather O. said...

A) Praying constantly for Tonya.
B) Jeff Mullis may have contributed to House's campaign, however, I just called him out on the carpet and CC'd the area state reps. So, maybe...just maybe someone will pay attention. And, maybe if nothing else will get them to stop this atrocity, Mullis' own pride will. I mean, how humiliating to know that you're just getting your political career kicked off and this nobody "House" whom you supported is making such a mockery of the whole deal.

C) Joal Henke-Panky was a creep from the word "go". You'd just have to have been in his presence to feel the slime ooze out of his very being. What a nothing. He's so concerned about his kids he couldn't even pay to help provide for them? Ass.

KC Sprayberry said...

Oh, discovered this last night after googling CAC. Don't count on Jay Neal for any help in this case. CAC claiming a win in the new incest law, and they got Jay Neal to represent them for the reps portion of the bill. Looks like he's squarely behind this organization. Or not. Not sure how he'll stand now with public opinion against the terrible trio. But I do know this is about to become a gloves off, knock down, drag out fight. Keep your chin up, Tonya. They can't make you anything but the classy lady you are.

Anonymous said...

To anon 439:

Are you saying all salesmen are typically sleezy? That is as ridiculous as all people who wear bikinis being child molesters.

That mindset is what Tonya and all of us are fighting against.

Anonymous said...

Another unprofessional slam at the defense by the narcicist the man.

Gregor:"I work in GA rules of evidence, not Lorandos rules of evidence" - objects to entering medical records #TonyaCraft has. Sustained.

Anonymous said...

@ 4:50, actually anon at 4:39 said he was the "typical sleazy salesman." If she had stated he was a "typical salesman", you'd have a case.

Anonymous said...

No 4:50, that is not what I meant. That is why I prefaced salesman, with the word sleezy. No, not all salesman are sleezy. No, not all lawyers are like Arnt & Gregor. No not all judges are like House.

If I thought all salesman were sleezy, I would have just said "typical salesman".

Heather O. said...

I know how corrupt the entire system is in GA government. However, I do tend to subscribe the the "greasy wheel" theory. And, knowing what ego-maniacs most politicians are, I doubt they want their "good name" associated with laughing stocks such as Team HAG. Not b/c they are honorable, just b/c they are egotistical.

Anonymous said...

Tonya took the stand this afternoon will be interesting to see the report Newschannel 9 reporters John Pless and John Madewell have put together.

William L. Anderson said...

No doubt, Pless and Madewell will say that Tonya confessed to molesting children and raping puppies while on the stand. I hate Channel 9 and never will watch any newscast from that disgraceful station again.

Kerwyn said...

http://www.catoosanews.com

Watch judge outburst here. It is very clear

Heather O. said...

I dare say that not one member of Team HAG operates under any rules of any state's laws, period. Matter of fact, I would go so far as to say not one of them could even recite a single "rule" of true law.

Anonymous said...

LOL Bill! Even though my husband is good friends with Madewell, he just busted a gut on that one!!! Also, just because they are good friends, doesn't mean they agree on everything. In fact, it's only one thing. Hmmmmm

William L. Anderson said...

Team HAG! I like that, Heather! May I use it sometime in my posts?

Anonymous said...

Bill, have you not seen the HAG reference yet? It's awesome.

Anonymous said...

What was all the furor about right after Tonya took the stand? What's the big deal about DLo asking her if she knew there was some things that she couldn't say. That's what the persecution wanted.

William L. Anderson said...

Hard to believe I had not seen it, but I admit not to reading all of the comments because there are so many of them.

My mother and sister went down there today and watch the whole thing.

William L. Anderson said...

Unfortunately, we are at the end of our semester and have to get ready for final exams. We plan to come down there sometime in June.

Anonymous said...

Kerwyn,
I just watched the link of House, but I still couldn't make out what he muttered. Can you post it here? Thanks.

Anonymous said...

"What a tangled web we weave..when we practice to deceive" Talk about a CLUSTER. I pray for Tonya.... Do not know her, but have been in the courtroom the past 2 days!!! A total display of disrespect..from the top to the pitiful bailiffs...get a life!!!

Throckmorton P. Gildersleeve said...

Mr. Anderson DON'T travel anywhere near Catoosa County or Hickamauga until Team HAG is removed from office. Otherwise, they will trump up some charge, say felonious mopery, and Crooked Deal will shoot you while you "were trying to escape from custody."

For the humor impaired, I meant this as satire but also as advice as I have no doubt that the Terrible Trio would love to sink their hooks into the good doctor right now.

Anonymous said...

Why is a doctor's record about the condition of Tonya's child after accusation of cild molestation not admissable under GA rules of evidence?

Does this state care about the truth? I left AL because I thought it was backward.

Anonymous said...

Did anyone just watch the 6pm news on WRCB Channel 3? When they started their Live coverage of the trail an Angel EMS blaring its sirens coincidentally passed behind. How ironic!!!

Anonymous said...

Tonya, I do not know you, but I am blown away by the amazing courage you are displaying by taking the stand. Your dignity and grace are apparent to all who are watching. Stay strong and truth will prevail!

KC Sprayberry said...

I'd say the doctor's record would be admissible in most courts. But since it might prove Tonya innocent, this court chooses to ignore it. Remember, another's judge's reasons for declaring a therapist incompetent (I know that's not the right word but I'm editing my own work now and my brain's not working) was also declared non-admissible. Thanks, Bill. You've got me to learn a bunch about the law and lawmakers. I know now what I will do come election time. And I really feel sorry for any lawyers running for office. I plan to check them out from A-Z, from hair to toenails, to make sure they're not as crooked as these men.

KC Sprayberry said...

Woo Hoo! Had my teen mess with my equalizer. Right after everyone got up to go into the judge's chambers, Arnt leans close to Gregor and says, 'The jury's mad.' And they looked worried. Might we assume that means they think the jury's mad at them?

Anonymous said...

Thank you, KC! Yeah, I hope their mad as hell, and one could only hope that the jury has seen enough in this trial to see how crazy this whole trial is. Just wait until the verdict is in and then they discover for themselves how much info that House, Henke, and Arnt kept out... info that would help them decide a verdict.

BTW, what a LOSER that Joal Henke is! Commiting adultery while his kids are strapped into car seats?! What a POS! Very telling how Tonya's son ask what a social worker his and the reason why. Ding, ding, ding... JURY WAKE UP!!! THERE'S THE MOTIVE RIGHT THERE!!!

Anonymous said...

Let Mr. Gregor bring his mini bladder and mini cooper to Hamilton County. We will see if we can make up some charges against him and he will have a new hump buddy besides house and arnt.

dmk said...

KC What was the part about "it's a tough call", any more on that?

Anonymous said...

Just went to check that video to see if I could hear the same that KC heard and they no longer have that clip, HOWEVER, they have a clip where I can clearly hear Tonya talking about her children and first names are mentioned. I thought the media was suppose to edit out this before posting. I left them a comment and hope they take care of this situation quickly!

Anonymous said...

Anyone but me wonder why they took that clip of House's tirade and the DouceBag Duo whispering to one another down and replaced it with something else?

Anonymous said...

This link has the clip: http://www.catoosanews.com/view/full_story/7331510/article-Live-from-the-Catoosa-County-Courthouse--Tonya-Craft-trial--day-19--Defendant-takes-the-stand?instance=home_news_1st_left

Anonymous said...

6:07, I saw that & I do believe that looked a little staged didn't it? I almost pooped. Wtg Wilsons, you just looked like fools.....again. Does anyone know anyone in dispatch who can tell us if they were really on a call?

Thockmorton, I totally get your humor, but I am glad you added the part of it being humorous. After I said, "sleezy salesman" earlier, someone automatically jumped on it like I was saying all salesman were sleezy. This is why I will make the following statement.....

Everyone who seeks justice needs to step back & read the comments thoroughly before rushing to judgement. Unless you have first-hand knowledge (as I told in my little tid-bit), do not start the rumor mill. For the trolls that read this who come out late at night & early in the morning, it just adds fuel to their fire. Let's all remain calm & not fuss with each other. After reading all of the comments on one of Bill's posts the other night, I became ill. It had turned into a CES bashing fest & people arguing back & forth. What's more, all of these people arguing were all on the side of justice & Tonya.

Although we all have different takes on this case, we need to stick together for the task at hand. There are 5,000,000 facts that prove Tonya's innocence and we will hear many more tomorrow. We must keep our focus on helping this woman & after this "trial" is over, making sure we stay diligent on getting these fools removed and supporting Tonya in whatever road she chooses.

Sorry for getting on my soapbox, I just really want everyone to remember why we read the blogs & stay true to what we know is right.

Everyone keep up the good work & let's make these court jesters pay for what they have done to Tonya & many others.

Truth For Tonya!

Anonymous said...

Found it... turned the volume up REAL loud and I heard the same thing.

Hey Arnt and Gregor, NO it is not a tough call! You 2 jokers need to shut up, take a seat, and quit hindering the defendant from getting a fair shake.

Oh, and guess what?! You think the jury is mad, then you 2 just wait until you see how the rest of the community feels about you!

Anonymous said...

KC,
That's exactly what one monkey said to the other. Send my atta boys to your son and his equalizer skills. It's so clear once the clip is view again. Thanks for the link to the older clip.
http://www.catoosanews.com/view/full_story/7331510/article-Live-from-the-Catoosa-County-Courthouse--Tonya-Craft-trial--day-19--Defendant-takes-the-stand?instance=home_news_1st_left

Anonymous said...

I pulled it up & it was there. I have now downloaded it for memorialization purposes. One of them said, "it's difficult to tell". LMBO!!! They really have no clue whatsoever.

Oh you guys are such silly little turkeys ARNT you? Had to spell it that way. My oh my, what a can of worms you opened. And if your boy House says one more time that Dr. Lorandos is playing to the media, I may throw up. This is a man who has been on camera too many times to even notice its existence. He is a professional & by even saying that his question was "improper" is completely wrong. Look up your rules & statutes. Dr. L was actually doing you ding-dongs a favor. You silly geese, you really are in deep dooky and I can not wait to watch you guys go down.

Victoria said...

http://www.chattanoogan.com/articles/article_175102.asp

"Ms. Craft said she was contacted by the other mom, who seemed rather upset, about how the defendant was handling the situation. She said she told the other mom that she would handle things her way and she should handle things her way."

I guess that solves the mystery about what incentive the MacDonalds had in the allegations.

Anonymous said...

My wish...

Jury returns a Not Guilty verdict on all 22 counts in record time. Then jurors choose to meet with members of media and comment negatively on their perceptions of the 3 stooges.

Yeah, I know, but we can always dream.

Anonymous said...

Speaking of Jay Neal....he lives in the same subdivisoin that all these crimes were supposedly commited.

Anonymous said...

I'm a little confused about this hearsay evidence in the way of Judge Marie Williams order. Now, if she was able to testify, would it then have been admissible? Also, wasn't it ruled early on in one of the initial 30 motions presented by Dr Lorandos that she be able to testify and was not allowed to because House that the jury should be able to make determinations about the therapist's credibility? Long trial, folks, and it's all running together in my mind. Could somebody with a better memory clarify for me? Thanks.

Anonymous said...

The judge said it would be admissible if Judge Wm's came down and testified, but that otherwise it was just hearsay.

Anonymous said...

Thank you 8:33.

Anonymous said...

Now that would be COOL - Judge Wms show up to testify in person because she is insulted by House's ruling that her order was nothing more than hearsay. The icing on the cake would be to run on national television. Someone out their have a connect to Judge Wms?

dmk said...

Victoria at 8:02

Yeah, nothing upsets a backasswards redneck like refusing to participate in their knee-jerk ignorance and instead choosing to take a rational, measured approach, especially on a subject like that.

I'm still confused though, that episode involved Tonya's daughter and Macdonald, or was it the Lamb girl? I've seen it stated both ways by reputable sources, and thought myself until earlier today that it was the Lambs.

Although I've been doing it too, these numbers for who is who are getting silly. 100% of the locals, and beyond that, anybody else who is even halfway paying attention to this knows those names, namely because the families themselves have been running around crowing about it for over a year now.

Anonymous said...

Anon 8:47

To add to the Honorable Judge William's insults would be the fact that the therapist ignored her order that the therapist not continue to treat the Henke kids. If I were her I would show up and blow the whole case apart.

Anonymous said...

I would suspect that Judge William's is already well aware of the ruling of House.

I'm going out on a limb here, but I'm thinking even if she did show up that Arnt and Gregor would object on grounds of BS and House would sustain. Just a guess.

Anonymous said...

Remember, if the state chooses to bring in rebuttal witnesses, then the defense gets to. Who is to say that Judge Williams won't be on their list???? Ah, this could be lengthy, but everyday, we see more & more of the truth. I was a little worried about Tonya taking the stand because of the brutality she will face at the hands of Gregor. Now that she is there & has made her decision, I am glad she is able to address all of the b.s. the prosecution & their witnesses have claimed. Even though she is having to spill her guts & open her world for all the world to see, she is doing it to further protect herself & doing it with honor.

Tonya, you are golden! Stay strong!

Anonymous said...

Anon 8:56

I don't even think House has the balls to refuse to let another sitting judge testify in person. What a slap in the face to the entire judiciary that would be. His fate would be sealed once and for all.

Anonymous said...

PLEASE, folks, we don't need to be calling Judge Williams at home. I am convinced that Dr. Lorandos is quite capable of contacting her if he so chooses. I think he should be the one to make that judgement call, not us. I think he's done an outstanding job so far for Tonya and I trust him to continue to do so.

Anonymous said...

I agree with Anon 9:09, however, if someone knows her VERY, VERY WELL it might be interesting to get her take on what's happening, if she's even aware of it. I don't think anyone would actually have the nerve to involve themselves in this very serious case. It would be quite interesting to know how she feels though.

Anonymous said...

Any thoughts on who the jury might be mad at? I haven't got a clue.

Anonymous said...

Anon 9;16 - That is exactly what i meant by "does anyone have a connect". Following this case is the first time I have ever blogged. I will be more careful with my comments!

Anonymous said...

I am absolutely dumbfounded at how there can be people watching any of the court video or reading any of the court docs and still say this lady is guilty! These two prosecutors are without a doubt a product of the small town mentality...I think they are so ignorant of how real legal professionals behave that they actually beleive what they are doing is the "right thing".

Did anyone happen to catch how Gregor 'tells' the judge to 'go to chambers' and then quickly remarks that he 'requests' it!

This is such a joke and this poor womans life is at stake!

I am truly ashamed that I live in this county and have to wait for elections to do something about it.

And if one of these yahoos is hoping to succeed Franklin....God help us all!!!!!!!!

Denise C. said...

My kids watched a teen program tonight. It was about eating and living healthy. All I could think of is "Great, all these kids are going to be narcissists." Then I thought "Wow, this trial has really messed with people's thinking." It's sad really. People aren't going to be able to go to a gym without worrying that some weirdo is gonna think they are a child molester.

KC Sprayberry said...

dmk. Don't know why G answered with it's a tough call. The dumb duo actually looked back at the camera and then lowered their voices even more in addition to turning their backs. I'm thinking the courtroom camera has a directional microphone it. But there was way too much going on to hear the rest of their conversation. There was a third man with them just to the left (from my view). His voice came in at one point. I'm thinking they're guessing it's a tough call if they can get the jury back on track.

As another said. One can dream. But maybe after watching how professionally the defense has acted, the jury is beginning to become believers.

One other question. Saw it in video of David Craft's testimony. And this is the first I've heard of it. Was there applause outside the courtroom after accuser 1 testified? If so, it kind of plays on her being an actress, kind of like giving her approval for a good job done. And how did all those prosecution witnesses know when to applaud? What were they doing outside the courtroom when they're supposedly in the witness room? This just gets weirder and wierder.

William L. Anderson said...

Look, don't call Marie at home, period. She'll blame me for it because her number was on my blog.

In a real court of law, her order would be enough, but House and the Dishonest Duo play by another set of rules: Hearsay for me, but not for thee.

Anonymous said...

I was in court today and I watched House very closely. When Dr. Lorandos (spelling wrong I am sure) was questioning Tonya about the medical records, House was glaring at the prosecution. My guess it was to tell them to object. I say this because as soon as Gregor stood up and started the word "object", House said "sustained" before Gregor could even finish his word!

I also heard Gregor refer to "Lorandos" laws as opposed to Georgia laws. How immature!!

Anonymous said...

Anon 9:55
I saw the exact same thing. During the medical records discussion, House was trying his hardest to get Gregor's attention...it was obvious that he wanted him to object. Before Gregor could could even say "obj...," House had already sustained. I hope the camera caught that, but I am afraid the display board was in the way. House, Arnt and Gregor need to be booted out!!!!! They are messing with innocent lives. For that, they will have to pay. I just hope that I am around to see it. Tonya, keep fighting the good fight. You do it with such dignity.

Anonymous said...

Mr Anderson,
Please remove my post on 9:00 with the judge's number. It was public record and I shouldn't have put it up. I had just read an online article about her and I was not thinking clearly. I really didn't think anyone would do it, but please Judge Williams and everyone, accept my apologies

Anonymous said...

I know Marie Cleary from years of volunteer work as members of the Junior League of Chattanooga, and when I heard that she was "involved", I have to say I was very relieved. She is one sharp woman, obviously moreso than some of the locals, and you can rest assured she is aware of every detail. I would be insulting her intelligence to assume I would be bringing anything new to her attention by contacting her! She would not be the least intimidated by the likes of Team HAG. By,the way, I live in Chickamauga, sent my children to CES for 4 years, and it was the happiest day of my life when they went back to private school in Chattanooga. Just because the school system is "white" does not make it better. I wanted my kids to live in the real world. I suppose that is enough said.

Anonymous said...

Okay I am confused...If the mom really came in the room and found Tonya's daughter doing something to her child, why did she beat her own child with a belt

Anonymous said...

Thanks Anon 7:29 you said it.

Lookout Spy said...

Physical abuse with a belt shows a lot about who the real perpetrators of abuse are, and if a WOMAN would beat her child with a belt, what's to say she has no other limits? DFACs should be over at those folk's house tomorrow. But, I bet they won't be. After all, they are home town goody two shoes.

Anonymous said...

From what I am understanding, Tonya and Kelli McDonald were making lunch, and Kellie went to check on the girls. McDonald found her daughter inappropriately touching Tonya's daughter, and began whaling on her own daughter with a belt. Tonya heard the screaming, and ran to the room to find Kellie spanking her own daughter. This was testamony also from Kellie on the stand that she spanked her own daughter, and was mad at Tonya for not "disciplining her daughter." Tonya gathered up her crying child, and they left the McDonald house. Tonya stated on the stand today that she should have reported Kellie for excessively spanking her child for the incident, but chose to be a friend and not do it. That was the time at which her and Kellie McDonald had their falling out.

Friend said...

"'look at your children, it's the last time you will see them' when he picked them up for visitation."

That is what Joal said to Tonya repeatedly when he would pick up their children for a weekend with him. It always scared me to hear that, and haunted me when Tonya's children were taken from her.

When I heard Tonya's testimony today, so many memories of those years came rushing back.

Tonya was always doing things to be kind. Even their Christmas tradition of everyone opening matching pajamas on Christmas Eve.

When Joal married Sarah, their first Christmas Eve together was Joal's turn to have their children on Christmas Eve, so Tonya bought the four of them matching Christmas pajamas at Old Navy so that her children would still have that tradition. She stood there with tears streaming down her face while buying their pajamas...
When Joal got their children, she handed him the wrapped packages and explained why she did that for them. He threw them in the back of his car and never said ONE THING about them. Tonya never received a thank you from Joal or from his wife.

I would imagine that Joal probably went home that day and told his wife that HE bought them and had them wrapped......because that is the kind of person Joal Henke is.
I could go on and on here......
but I think you all get the picture.

I hope he pays for all the hell he has put the mother of his children AND his children through.

Anonymous said...

In response to the prosecution stating the jury is mad...someone came back into the court room after a break saying they had just heard that the jury was mad because so many people in the courtroom was wearing yellow and that attendees were being asked to wear yellow tomorrow since Tonya would be testifying. I asked how the jury would have known this that they were not supposed to be talking to anyone. Did anyone else hear this?

Anonymous said...

To Anon 10:04:

The School system is great because of their teachers and students. It has nothing to do with being an all "white" school. With that type of comment what kind of example are you showing for your kids. Are you suggesting that an all white school that is highly ranked in all areas of education is not the real world.

Anonymous said...

I agree with someone earlier who stated that the Lamb's and Wilson's had the money to send their children to private school, but chose to send them to Chickamauga so that they could be the "Little Princess Standouts". Most Gordon Lee / Chickamauga Alumni wish that all of the Lakeview/Chattanooga Valley/Rossville Alumni Parents would take their kids back to where THEY went to school... We are NOT impressed with YOUR money.
We have our own. Quit trying to buy your way in. Chickamauga is not Baylor/ Mcallie. Chickamauga Schools tuition is $500 a year. GET REAL. WE DONT NEED YOUR MONEY!!!

Lookout Spy said...

Sounds to me like the jury is rigged, if that statement is true the jurors are upset so much yellow is is being worn in the courtroom. Of course, let's not be surprised that the jury pool was hand selected by the prosecution. If absentee votes in a Chattooga County judicial election can show up with a postage meter stamp on all the envelopes from a local attorney's office, then who's to say that the jury pool wasn't hand picked for this trial? Shoot these folks might even be getting offered a "bonus" for coming in with a verdict of guilty. I think this may go deeper than just courtroom misbehavior, it's very possible the DA's office smelled trouble brewing weeks before trial even started.

Kerwyn said...

Anon 11:08 Sheer Nonsense and hysterical rumor. Ignore it.

Anon about Judge Williams testifying. This is what my Lawyer friend told me.

1. Thats dumb, she can only testify to the order she wrote, not the what it is based on since it was based on someone else's testimony and as such would be heresay.

Just another wiggle act by the HAG team

Lookout Spy said...

Kerwyn, all due respect, if the jury isn't rigged, why would the HAG team be so confident? If you were actually from here, you would know from personal experience and contact with the locals that these LMJD "Officers of the Court" would stop at NOTHING to win. All they would have to do is say, ok, "Don't include anyone with more than a HS education in this jury.", and they would deselect anyone who didn't fit the bill. In this area, that would be an easy criterion to have.

Lisa B. said...

In June 2008, Chris Arnt was presented with the J. Roger Thompson Award during the Basic Litigation Course hosted by The Prosecuting Attorneys' Council of Georgia. Upon presenting Arnt with the award, Pete Skandalakis says, "This year's recipient of the J. Roger Thompson award possesses the character traits of the type of prosecutor we want to have in this state. He is a prosecutor dedicated to fairness and has a strong adherence to professionalism, ethics and moral obligations. He is the type of prosecutor we should all try to emulate." Do you think Pete is watching this trial? I believe his award needs to be returned.

dmk said...

I don't put much stock in the jury mad at the yellow rumor. From reports, not the first day there was yellow to be seen, so why mad now? Even if the Face and The Man were reading them correctly, a big if, it could have been anything or nothing. Perhaps just tired of the whole process and aggravated at another delay, I know I would be.

Lookout Spy said...

Ok, let's forget the color yellow, and look at WHY the HAG team is acting so confident. Juries are selected from voter rolls. Who keeps track of the voter rolls? The local establishment, of course. I'm saying there's a smell test here that the Man, Face, And Louse are acting WAYYYY too confident, and we have to wonder about that just a little.

dmk said...

Lookout, I live here, and I'm with you - this place is like nothing you have ever seen, and if you haven't experienced it for yourself, it's hard to really believe it.

I'm fully expecting a hung jury. It wouldn't surprise me if there aren't a couple of ringers in there, but I don't think even LMJC can manage to get all of them 100%.

One thing about many people around here is there is no love lost between them and "the law". Part of it's just the cultural distrust of central authority that goes way back, but most is because they themselves or someone they know has been shafted in some way or another. I wouldn't completely rule it out that at least one or two will welcome the chance to deliver a little payback to HAG, LMJC, and the system by being a wrench in the works.

Lookout Spy said...

I'm wondering how many were in the jury pool to start with. And DMK, I've walked the floors of the courthouses in the LMJC, and gotten the Catoosa and Walker Messenger in my mailbox also. Nothing would surprise me at this point. Nothing.

Anonymous said...

I know one of the jurors on this case. I know that this juror prays everyday that the truth guilty or not guilty will come out. This juror has told me nothing of the proceedings all that I know I have learned here, from a posting a friend of Ms. Crafts put up and the media. I know that this juror has lost alot of sleep over this case. This juror has previously worked for this county and quit because of the corruption going on. I have been witness to several different depts in the county doing corrupt things. I have seen it with the lawyers, commissioners, dfacs, and the police dept. I have seen injustices to several occupants of this county. It's not who you are it's who you know, how much money you have and how much fame this will gain you. I am ashamed of this county where I grew up. I once made the statement this is where I want to raise my kids. I no longer live the area and honestly I do not want to come back to live. I have had personal contact with Judge House. He was once my sons soccer coach. It was meant to be fun and enjoyable no criticism. However, judge House got in my 5 year olds face and yelled at him because he was playing in the grass instead of practising. I will no longer involve my children in this program because of the treatment my child received from Judge House.

Anonymous said...

I will say this for the jury being rigged. The juror I know is a very honorable person and I repeat would never in a million year back this obvious corruption. I assure you if the jury is annoyed it's because of the stupid prosecution always trying to weasel their way out of the courtroom.

MaidenAmerica said...

Lookout Spy said...
Physical abuse with a belt shows a lot about who the real perpetrators of abuse are, and if a WOMAN would beat her child with a belt, what's to say she has no other limits? DFACs should be over at those folk's house tomorrow. But, I bet they won't be. After all, they are home town goody two shoes.
-----------------------------
You're right LS! I completely agree with that! Since Tonya testified to it in court, couldn't that be grounds enough for DFAC's to investigate?

Anonymous said...

First of all, if I were on the jury, I would be angry that this woman has had to sit through all this public humiliation for NOTHING! Alot of things unfolded yesterday, as we saw the truth about her ex-husband, his character and his motives. THIS WOULD MAKE ME MAD!! Because I would relate it to several other women like Tonya that I have known who have been abused by "those kind of men". It doesn't take long for adults in teir 40's and 50's to make character connections...We have lived long enough to have that judgement. That is why young people really need to ask advice of older and wiser people when choosing a life mate. I think the jury, listening to Tonya and David said, "I get it now".... and was furious over those "706 days" and this hot, waste of time, farce of a trial against an innocent woman. The "ringer" may be afraid to "ring his bell" and identify himself against an otherwise complete acquital.... This would only add his name and face to the list of criminals regarding this case, in the documentary I am SURE Dateline or 20/20 will do!!!

Anonymous said...

I think the belt beating pales in comparison to the mental torture of this trial, don't you all agree?

Anonymous said...

My mother works with an older gentleman who was in the jury pool. When he arrived, they were basically herded like cattle. They told him he couldn't have his cell phone, so he took it out to the car. When he came back, a "lady of the court" asked him if he had filled out the paperwork. He asked, "what paperwork"? She handed him a form & said, "fill this out." No pen, pencil or anywhere to even sit. So he just stood there a minute. She came back a couple of minutes later & asked for the paperwork back. He told her he was unable to fill it out because he had nothing to fill it out with. She took it from him & said, "you will not be needed today." He didn't even know anything about the trial. Absolutely nothing. The majority of the pool was hand picked & that is why Giglio was able to make it to the final group. My mother felt sorry for the guy as he would have been a very fair & impartial person. They didn't want to know that because they already had who was going to be eliminated immediately. Funny thing is, they have shown their butts so much during this trial, that I am sure the majority of the jury sees it. I still believe there are a couple of ringers in there, but hopefully they will open their eyes & realize they have nothing to gain by convicting an innocent woman. In fact, they have everything to lose.

Anonymous said...

Another man was just released yesterday after 30 years behind bars due to dna evidence.

The prosecutor in his case was absolutely convinced of his guilt.

Anonymous said...

Anon 9:33

Yeah, only lawyers should hold any political office like governor. That's what wrong with our society today, it's run by lawyers.

Anonymous said...

Latin for ‘the thing speaks for itself.' The phrase refers to a rule of evidence whereby Negligence of the alleged wrongdoer may be inferred from the mere fact that the accident happened, provided that (1) in the absence of negligence, the accident would not have occurred and (2) the thing that caused the injury is shown to have been under the exclusive control of the alleged wrongdoer. This shifts the burden to the defendant, who is thereby charged with introducing evidence to refute the Presumption of negligence that has been created.

Name withheld to protect the innocent. said...

Dr. Anderson:

I’ve been following your antics for a couple of weeks now. I’ve seen all the lies you have spread, and frankly, I have partaken in the fun…laughing at your expense. But it dawned on me today that there are innocent people being put in the middle of this. You have lied! You have incited violence against innocent people! YOU ARE PUTTING INNOCENT PEOPLE IN HARM’S WAY.

So, you think Tonya Craft is innocent. That is fine. Even if she is “wrongfully” convicted, she will live on, albeit in prison. But what you are doing here, flaming an ignorant public, and knowingly flaming an ignorant public, may cause good people to get hurt, or worse. IF SOMEONE IS HURT, IT IS YOUR FAULT, WILLIAM ANDERSON. THERE WILL BE BLOOD ON YOUR HANDS! You, and only you, will have to answer to the God you pretend to worship. We live in a fallen world, man…get over yourself! I pray that you are man enough to admit your faults.

Prayerfully yours,

Name withheld to protect the innocent.

Dan said...

@ anon 10:26PM... thanks for your comment. I see you know how to use cut and paste:

I'll give you some things to think about.

Perhaps Proverbs 6:16 applies here.

"There are six things the LORD hates, seven that are detestable to him: haughty eyes,a lying tongue, hands that shed innocent blood,a heart that devises wicked schemes, feet that are quick to rush into evil, a false witness who pours out lies and a man who stirs up dissension among brothers."

Or maybe I'll leave you with this quote by J.C Watts to ponder.

"Character is doing the right thing when nobody's looking. There are too many people who think that the only thing that's right is to get by, and the only thing that's wrong is to get caught."

On second thought maybe you need one more, this one by Thomas Paine:

"Character is much easier kept than recovered."

If you have a more Eastern background... in that case there is this by Buddah:

Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it. Do not believe in anything simply because it is spoken and rumored by many. Do not believe in anything simply because it is found written in your religious books. Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of your teachers and elders. Do not believe in traditions because they have been handed down for many generations. But after observation and analysis, when you find that anything agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all, then accept it and live up to it.

In any event, the truth is the truth - not memories implanted into innocent children.

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