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Tuesday, May 25, 2010

Mommie, Dearest

The blogger Kerwyn generally does not miss very much, and when she contacted me late Monday night, her mind was working in overdrive again. We were discussing the "Sandra Lamb Show" as seen on Channel 3, WRCB-TV, in which she not only seems to commit a racially-motivated assault, but also is not exactly decked out in highest fashion.

(While Lamb's wardrobe definitely seems to be a point of discussion, nonetheless, I will only mention her outfit this one time, as while she might not have the best tastes in fashion, nonetheless, she has even worse tastes when it comes to violating the law.)

Kerwyn notes that Eric Echols is not parked in Lamb's driveway, but on a public road. However, he cannot leave because his way is blocked -- illegally, I might add -- by a car driven by Lamb's minor son. The problem here is that he is acting on orders from Mommie Dearest, who has instructed the minor to break the law in order to detain Mr. Echols against his will.

Don't forget that Lamb originally tried to restrain Mr. Echols in the lawful delivery of a lawful subpoena, and then claims that here "lawyer friend" Chris Arnt had instructed her not to accept the document. Bad choice for both people. First, Arnt as a prosecutor could not be acting as her private attorney, and, second, a prosecutor can get in a bit of trouble for instructing someone to break the law.

So, let us step back for a second and see what we have. Sandra Lamb breaks the law by engaging in a racially-motivated criminal assault, instructs her minor son to break the law, and then claims Arnt was behind it. Given that she already is being sued by Tonya Craft -- and I wholeheartedly endorse her being sued -- it would seem to me that Lamb's legal problems have just begun. Moreover, one can hope that the Georgia State Bar will want to take a look at Arnt's alleged legal transgressions here, not to mention his overall performance in the Tonya Craft trial.

Then there is the arrest of Mr. Echols, who had the good sense to record his conversations with Jerry McDonald. The problem is that the prosecutors now know what was said in that conversation, and that Mr. Echols DID NOT threaten or intimidate anyone, let alone a prosecution witness, yet Arnt, Len Gregor, and Buzz Franklin still are pushing ahead with the felony charges against Mr. Echols.

Obviously, we are headed for a legal train wreck, and in the end, it won't be Mr. Echols who is in legal trouble. Why has this happened? It has happened because the judges and prosecutors of the Lookout Mountain Judicial Circuit have treated the courts as their own little sandbox, and now that some adults are insisting that people in the LMJC play by those rules called The Law, the LMJC players are throwing a temper tantrum.

If you wish to see pathetic rage in action, look again at the video starring Sandra Lamb. However, she is not the only one down there in a childish rage; no, we have seen Franklin, Arnt, Gregor, and Sheriff Phil Summers all make their appearance post-trial, and all of them have acted like pathetic, spoiled children, with Lamb herself in the "Mommy" role.

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Anonymous said...

Mr.Andreson you are great.I am kind of afraid to post,because anyone who is anonymous is criticized.

Anonymous said...

Yes we ( Georgia ) have a homestead act or law I have live here since 1975 and have benefited from it every year till last year when the state representatives voted to sock it to us and made us all pay the full amount.

Kellie Graham said...

Anon 1052, how would the kid know? is she reading william anderson's blog? REALLY, how & why would she do that?

Anonymous said...

I love the Chickamauga city school system.

Anonymous said...

If I remember correctly, Tonya's supporters were saying that Tonya needed to raise $21,000 to buy the transcript of the trial. So, you can calculate how many pages there are based on $3.25 (or something like that) per page.

Anonymous said...

10:52 is crazy.

Lame said...

KC Strawberry, It pains me to know that you went though that, not once but twice: first the pain of thinking your child was victimized and then the second pain of realizing that two innocent people were victimized (you and the accused). One question for you: was the woman they accused found guilty? If she was, then she is most likely on a sex offender registry. If you find her there, they have their information available for anyone to see: which is doubly humiliating if the charges are unfounded--the poor woman would be revictimized every time someone finds her on there and in doing so causes them to change their relationship with her. I know that I had a relationship go badly when a woman I was seeing looked up my name and found someone with the same name as a sex offender, but she wasn't smart enough to notice we have different middle names and that he resides in Hawaii, a place I've never even visited.

Anonymous said...

Does any person here know if Georgia has a 'homestead' act or law?

Yes we do have I have homesteaded since 1975 until last year when the wonderful Governor made us pay for them spending to much money.

Anonymous said...

Kelli Graham,if your child was in that class they would notice something a little odd & come home asking questions.Who in there right mind would want to talk to their 8 year old about that & sex.

Anonymous said...

Thanks 11:39

I'll go down there in the morning.

Anonymous said...

anon10:26 how is it disqusting?Mrs Kythas said on the stand the child was doing that during class.Do not want to hear that from anyone besides Kythas.

kbp said...

Thanks !

But I believe we are on different pages in how we define a homestead act, and it will often have other benefits involved when passed.

I'm referring to an act that allows one to keep their house if they go bankrupt.

It would still be subject to any mortgage in that case, but they can't take your home if you file after losing a lawsuit (some states allow for a personal vehicle and minor tools of your trade...).

Lame said...

Ok, here are a couple of observations and comments.

Y'all need to leave the kids alone. The parents here have clearly used them as tools, especially in the case of R Lamb. Everything about Sandra and her behavior towards and about her child just screams "stage mom." I know some of you will hate me for saying this, but it's true; as a teacher, one of the worst things is when parents blame teachers and the school system for their child's behavioral problems. Parents have kids for five years before we ever get them. So, it's like blaming the auto mechanic for the scratches on your fender when you are the one who drove the car into a tree. It is true that school sometimes has to be a place of healing, because they don't get to heal at home. Don't get me wrong, as a teacher the BEST thing is when you have a parent who is involved and keeps tabs on their child's education. EVERY child I have ever had to fail had parents who never talked with me, or did so only once and never followed through. Every child who was about to fail whose parent(s) came in and talked with me about what needs to be done to help their child improve did not fail. So, it is good parents who make teachers' jobs so much more rewarding and easy and bad or indifferent parenting that makes teachers' jobs more difficult.

Prior speculation regarding the relationship between Sandra Lamb and Tonya Craft is starting to come into focus. Sandra has to be at the center of everything. She was Ms Craft's matron of honor, not because they were BFF's, but because of her role of setting up Mr and Mrs Craft. She played matchmaker, and so being given a position of noteriety, behind only the bride and groom and perhaps best man (but only really because of the toast), was her reward. I highly doubt that at any time in either of their lives would they have referred to the other person as their "best friend." With R Lamb only ever visiting the Craft home a hand full of times, no, they weren't that close, even before the Crafts had marital problems. She must have known Mr Craft first, which is probably partially why she sided with him against Tonya. She may have suspected at some point that Tonya did something inappropriate with her husband. Remember, Tonya DID drink and flirt and dance with "other men" at parties. One of them must have been Mr Lamb. Seeing her husband dance with a much more attractive woman who was probably a bit tipsy and flirtacious probably is what started Sandra on this long warpath. That is just speculation, but at this point it makes more sense than anything I've heard so far.

Lame said...

As for Sandra being a normal "conservative" parent who simply "went off" because of the situation, I have to say that is a bit sexist. It is a faulty generalization to lump all women, especially conservative ones (who more than any other category of women tend to be level-headed), into having no ability to control the crazy when a stressful situation arises. I've seen women handle some seriously outrageous situations better than most men would. Have any of you ever heard of Cathy Lanier? She is the chief of police for the metropolitan Police Dept of the District of Columbia. Look her up. She's a hell of a person, asking no favors, and doing her job like any person who serves their community should, and with honor. Some of the police and firefighters who died on 9/11 were women. They didn't flip out because someone had intimidated them. Women have the capacity of self control, and to say that Sandra Lamb is just some crazy broad who lost her cool, that is just sexist. She is cold and calculating. Yet, even the most calculating of people can lose their temper. It is not when people intimidate or stress them out. It happens when things don't go their way. Even the venerable George Washington was prone to that. Anyone ever read about the tirade he went into when, during the Battle of Monmouth, he found out that Lee had ordered a retreat? Yet, unlike Lamb, Washington did something noble. Once he was done swearing, he got on his horse, rode to the front, rallied the troops, and carried the day. Lamb is not incapable of controling herself, she is not incapable of doing the right thing. She had the opportunity, when Echols left of apologizing--I'm sure Echols would have accepted. Instead, she filed charges. Please people, Sandra Lamb is no crazy woman, she is not a person who lost her cool when a stressful situation arose; if that were the case, when the defense council called her on her lies during court, she would have jumped over the rail of that witness stand and strangled DLo. She is a person, who as people who have posted--whom I take know her--cannot handle not getting her own way. Considering this, I wonder what she did when she heard "Not Guilty" for the 22nd time. I'll bet the ladies room at the courthouse has some vandalism damage.

Lame said...

I have never addressed the masterbation aspect yet, but here are my two cents:

R Lamb, from all accounts here, in court, and elsewhere, show her to be a very precocious young girl. It is not at all unreasonable to believe she was doing this of her own accord. I didn't have to have an adult tell me that touching myself down there feels good. And, as for doing it in class, having a near eidetic memory, I can vividly recall many aspects of my childhood, and one thing I recall is seeing one of my classmates, Brandon, playing with himself. He was in 3rd grade at the time--not at all far removed from the age of Lamb. I remember thinking, "Why is he playing with himself here, of all places?" I saw this happen at least three times. Remember, someone exaggerated in saying that R Lamb was masterbating to climax. As I recall, the testimony was just that she was playing with herself, and the teacher recognized (or assumed) it as masterbation. Once again, when put on the spot, told what she was doing was wrong, she went to the person who was now the obvious scapegoat to get her off the hook, blame Tonya Craft. It was almost like everything going on in these kids lives that someone thought was wrong, remember the South Park movie song "Blame Canada?" Well, they used the same song, just switched the lyrics to "Blame Tonya, Blame Tonya."

It will be interesting to see where R Lamb will be in 15 years. Will she be a lesbian? Will she be married and in a stable family? Will she ever admit she made things up? Will she resent her mother for using her as a tool of revenge? My guess is that whether she turns out to be a lesbian or not, she will probably go the way of Hester Prynne, sadly.

Anonymous said...

Lame, why do you associate being a lesbian with alleged child abuse?

Lame said...

Jeez, Anon 12:42, I am not associating being a lesbian with alleged child abuse, I'm associating it with touching the private parts of multiple girls, including one two years younger than herself. Or, did you not catch that part in all of what has been said in court, on here, and in the lawsuit? And this is not something "alleged" this has been stated and accepted as fact by all parties involved.

And, I did not say she "is" a lesbian, or "will be" a lesbian. I said "Will she be a lesbian?" That's like me not saying you "are" an idiot, or that you "will be" an idiot. It's like saying, "Are you an idiot?"

Lame said...

Lord, I apologize. And, bless the Pygmies in Africa. Amen.

Anonymous said...

I understood from what you wrote the child touching herself in class was involved in the alleged child abuse case. When you then extrapolated to what she would be in 20 years, you wondered if she would be a lesbian. I think you deliberately misunderstood my point.

Anonymous said...

And it was "alleged" because the verdict was not guilty. If it had been a guilty verdict, it would not be alleged, it would be a fact. And it is not a fact,,,geezzz

Anonymous said...

Lucy 2007 said... I believe what House & Summers is doing is called damage controlled. There is one thing I know, that I have not read on this blog, or that I could have missed. Mr. Anderson could probably word this better than I, but I am going to give it a shot. On a state level pretrial, the sheriff is the only person who can invite the GBI to come in to investigate charges that he believes are unfounded. With all the lack of evidence, that's exactly what he should have done. I believe this is one of the major reasons he was named in Craft's lawsuit along with other issues I am sure. I hold Phil Summers 100% accountable for allowing the Craft trial to get this far. This also, proves that Summer is one of the good ole boys. Larry Black who ran against Summers in the last election was our man and we let him slip right through our fingers. I can't not wait until the next election for sheriff. I pray for a qualified person to step up and help turn our community around. Summers you might as well hang it up, you are history and not in a good way. I also pray you stay away from Rossville's all class reunion. You are not wanted or welcomed in my opinion.

Lame said...

Anon, I did NOT extrapolate what R Lamb would be like in 15 years (I said 15, not 20), using just the masterbation issue. Perhaps I was not clear when I said, "R Lamb, from all accounts here, in court, and elsewhere, show her to be a very precocious young girl." That was an inclusive statement, not an exclusive one. Being inclusive, that meant everything from the touching, to the masterbating, to the pole dancing, to the picture of her on her FB page, et cetera. Perhaps I am not the one deliberately misunderstanding points.

My points in that post were this: R Lamb is precocious, masterbation (if that was what it was) in a classroom setting is not exclusive to girls who are taught how to do so by adults, she has a tendancy to blame others to get herself out of trouble.

Unless they get her the help she needs, she will likely have serious problems. THAT, THAT, anon, is what I am linking to allegations of abuse, not lesbianism, not heterosexuality, problems in her teen and early adulthood.

Anonymous said...

Lucy 2007, Larry Black might have been your man, but not mine! Larry Black is as corrupt as Summers. Maybe you meant him to be the lesser of 2 evils, but I do not vote on that basis. When faced with the "lesser of 2 evils" scenario, I abstain from marking that part of the ballot or write in.

I truly wish we had someone honorable to run. CC has had so much corruption in the SD for decades. You would think that the larger we get, the more choices we would have, but we haven't.
Brown, Stewart, Bowman then Summers, UGH, help me!

About "Dr. Nicky", as she likes to be reffered to, she is nothing but a quack in the true sense of the term. Several friends were referrenced to her a few years ago, 2 for family counseling (on their own, not court ordered) & 3 for having their children tested for add & adhd. They all went & it was just bad. She tried to "dig deeper" into small children's minds. These kids simply had adhd, no deeper digging necessary. The parents also noticed that the children started using phrases they would not know & simply could only come from a psychologist. It was just strange & the parents took them elsewhere because she was taking sooooo long for a simple diagnosis. They knew how long it took because many of us had already had the testing done on our children. The 2 families who went for family counseling were just confused. They had teenage children who were behaving badly and honestly, it was just a typical blending of families situation. I told them they were crazy for going to counseling because of normal issues. They simply needed to lay down the law. Dr. Nicky's approach was to let them have their way because they were blending with other families & since that is hard, they should give them what they want. Oh man, seriously??? Now 2 of the children who are 19 can not function in society. They do as they please with no care for others around them. My friends look back and say, "we screwed up". Yes they did.

As I said, Ozbek is best labeled as a "quack". No one should take their children there. She is one of those people who think small children (5,6 & 7) have something hidden in their minds that only she can pull out. Unless something serious has happened, such as abuse, there is nothing hidden deep in a small child's mind.

KC Sprayberry said...

Lame, I have looked over sex offender registeries going all the way back to when I first found out the whole thing was based on a lie. She's not listed anywhere in the US. I do know, through her mom, she had Canadian citizenship, and may have gone up there where they didn't, at the time, check criminal records against those in the US. If so, I hope she's found a good life and put this behind her. As for the trial, she was 17 when these accusations were made against her, only weeks from her 18th birthday. The state decided to try her as an adult and like all teens, she did something really foolish. She hid from the police after they issued an arrest warrant. They eventually caught her and her public defender talked her into taking a plea. This was in Arizona. So, what happened to those in LMJC without the resources TC had happens elsewhere.

Anonymous said...

Anon 11:47

"who in their right mind would want to talk to their 8 year-old about that & sex?"

Well, I like to think that I am in my right mind (I'm sure there are some who would argue that point.) I won't say that I like talking to my 8 year-old about sex, but it is something that has to be done. I want her to feel as though she can come to me with anything and feel comfortable in doing so. I know that I did not feel comfortable as a child talking about such things with my conservative parents. I had so many misconceptions about sex, only relying on the knowledge of my peers. Believe me, 8 year-olds have some wild ideas.

Anyway, I would rather my child hear it from me. Yes, I have felt uncomfortable at times, but I want my child to have a good, healthy view of sex. I don't want her to think of it as something dirty or evil. I don't want her to think something is wrong with herself for having a normal curiousity.

Children explore their own sexuality, whether we like to admit it or not. I have caught both of my children touching themselves. I did not make a big deal out of it or embarress them. I explained it is normal. However, I did tell them it something private that they should not do in public.

And before anyone can jump to any conclusions... No, my children have not been molested. My husband and I have never exposed them to any sexual behavior. As a matter of fact, they have never even walked in on us. They are just NORMAL kids.

Anonymous said...

Amen 9:17! That question seemed way out of touch with reality. My daughter's pediatrician suggested I start talking to her about sex, age appropriate of course, at age nine. He stated the latest studies & that because she is a girl, menstruation could onset. One of the studies showed because of simple exposure to television could raise questions. Like you, I would rather my child feel comfortable & talk to me about questions rather than her peers. She is 15 now & has asked some very "uncomfortable" questions (things she heard on the bus), but I have tried to always answer them in an age appropriate manner, and the older she gets, we actually have fun joking about the questions and my initial facial expressions & such. It is our job to teach our children about life, responsibilities & (gasp!) sex. We are to raise them as gifts to society, not burdens. It's a simple philosophy that has worked in my family.

We can not control what our kids hear at school & unless you want your children to have a closed mind, you won't try to control that aspect. Life is not "controlled pods" & was never meant to be, but if we can have control over our children (in the way we are supposed to) & handle their questions & curiosities in the apporpriate manner, they will thank us for it as adults.

Lame said...

As for talking with your kids about sex, it's important to do it at an appropriate age, but early enough that they will know what is what and not be taken advantage by an older person. I was 8 when I got the talk. My parents probably should have done it sooner. They only talked with me about sex after they caught me and the neighbor girl being REALLY naughty (and yes, she was the instigator, and about a year older; and we had been doing stuff with each other for several months).

I have a firm belief that far, far fewer children would be victims of sexual abuse if their parents talked with them about sex appropriately, at an appropriate age (starting at about 5). They shouldn't tell them about graphic details at 5. But, they should tell them about how boys and girls are different and that there are certain things, such touching each other's privates, that should only be done by two people who are married. Explain things in a way they would understand and let them ask questions, and answer them frankly but gently. Then, as the child grows older, at some point have a discussion that has more detail, and explain that some people will want to do things with them that is inapropriate. Tell them that only when they are married should they do that. Say that if someone wants to do something that you tell them about or like that, that the child should leave and come tell you. When they get older explain that there are situations when people will try to make them do things they don't want to do, and that they need to not do them, and even if the person threatens them or people they love, that they shouldn't be afraid, and not do them, and to come tell you right away. You should also explain that they should never tell a lie about this. If someone tries to make them do something, the child needs to tell the truth. If someone has not done something, the child should not lie and say that they did, because people could get hurt if they lie. The child needs to know that you will believe them, but that if they lie about these things, that people will get hurt, and that you would be disappointed in them.

See, people who abuse children play on the child's fears and ignorance. If we can let children know how to protect themselves, and teach them also the importance of telling the truth, then we can help our children avoid being taken advantage of and avoid the kind of things that happened to Ms Craft and others. We can't protect children by telling them too much too soon, and we can't protect them by not telling them until it's too late. We don't teach kindergarteners algebra. We build a foundation of knowledge and build upon that foundation. Similarly, we don't tell 5 year olds about advanced sexual techniques. We build a foundation of knowledge and work form there over time. That way children will know right from wrong, and still be able to explore for themselves in a way that is less prone to cause problems.

Anonymous said...

Oh absolutely Lame. We didn't have the full menstruation talk until she was 9, but we had the your parts, other people's parts conversation at a young age & she also participated in "good touch, bad touch" at school. The program written by Dr. Aldridge.

She already knew what a period was, but didn't know why. She knew because I never got to use the bathroom by myself!!! In fact, at 15, unless she's off with friends, I still can't go by myself. The joys of children. LOL.

The main thing is starting the "touching" talk at an age where they can truly comprehend things. This age will be different for all children. If they don't truly understand it, they can confuse the premise. With Tonya's daughter, it was putting medicine on her that her father & the interviewers were able to turn into something wrong. Poor girl, those people have scarred her for life & it breaks my heart.

Anonymous said...

I can totally relate to never getting any privacy in the bathroom. I may as well just leave the door open, since my husband and both kids just come on in.

I have had age-appropriate sex talks with my 8 year-old and 6 year-old. I let them steer the conversation. They ask the questions and I offer basic information. We have had the good touch/bad touch talk. They know that they can come to me with anything and I will believe them.

I have even discussed some of Tonya's case with my oldest child. She knows that you do not accuse someone of touching you, just because you are mad at them or because an adult tells you to.

Lame said...

Anon 8:19, that's a very good point. When teaching children about sex it is important that they understand that it is not only wrong but SUPER WRONG to accuse someong of doing something just to get back at them or to get yourself out of trouble. As Christians, I think one of the most under-taught and unnoticed commandments is the 9th (well, actually the 4th is the most ignored by christians, as it says 7th day but most christians observe the 1st day instead--but we're not getting into that here).

I have known so, so many "upright" christians who will lie, lie, lie. Speaking of lieing, anyone here seen the film History of the World, Part 1? You know the bit where Caesar says, "Bring me a small lyre!" and two guys carry in a short guy whose saying, "I didn't do it! I didn't do it!" In our movie about the Tonya Craft story, we will have that part, only it will go like this:

Caesar: "Bring me a lyre!"
Two men bring in Sandra Lamb
Sandra: "My little girl told me she will be an angel for all the other little girls who are molested."

Anonymous said...

@Anon 3:26 on 5-25

She's paying for her youngest daughter, Raegan, to go to Chickamauga. Her son, the one who blocked the road, attends McCallie.
The Boyds also live in Catoosa county. Miriam pays for their kids to go to Chickamauga.

LP said...

Its sad to hear that Tonya is riding around in a older model SUV with a "Truth For Tonya" sticker on the back, while getting falsely accused of riding around in big cities in a limo.
Sandra Lamb has no problem driving around the area in her White Lexus GX470 sporting her intials in a very large font and a McCallie sticker on the back window.
Neither does Miriam Boyd in her black Toyata Sequoia.
I'm surprised they haven't got keyed, especially Sandra with all the Tonya supporters.
One day it will come.
That's not the first incident with Sandra going off and hitting people, I used to live down the road from her in The Legends, its always drama and lies with her.

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